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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    yes, it's a good tactic, it's also exactly what he should be doing to salvage our economy.
    It won't salvage anything - the amount being cut is insignificant when spread over 10 years. It's symbolic and political only.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

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    Yes, because the alternative was worse just like it will be to re-elect Obama. We have had almost 3 years of Obamanomics and the results are there for all to see. Keep spouting the partisan bs. I do apply the same standards, why would anyone vote for Gore and Kerry over Bush? Why would anyone vote for Obama for a second term with the results we have today. He had his chance and failed. Bush performance didn't decline until 2008 when Democrats took control of Congress. That is reality even in your union world.
    Not worse, the same. You're whole false dichotomy rests on invalidating third parties because they have yet to achieve power. "Well they can't win, so support the status quo which is already leading the ruination of this country!". That's not a good argument. You're giving more argument to STOP voting for the main party and switch to voting third parties till we can replace one of the major parties with a functioning party.

    We need to decrease the size of government, you're solution is to vote for a party which has NOT DECREASED government. That's pretty damned insane.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not worse, the same. You're whole false dichotomy rests on invalidating third parties because they have yet to achieve power. "Well they can't win, so support the status quo which is already leading the ruination of this country!". That's not a good argument. You're giving more argument to STOP voting for the main party and switch to voting third parties till we can replace one of the major parties with a functioning party.

    We need to decrease the size of government, you're solution is to vote for a party which has NOT DECREASED government. That's pretty damned insane.
    I have asked to name for me ONE successful Third Party Governor which is what you seem to be promoting. I will continue to vote for the lesser of the two evils so as to keep Obama from getting another 4 years.

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I have asked to name for me ONE successful Third Party Governor which is what you seem to be promoting. I will continue to vote for the lesser of the two evils so as to keep Obama from getting another 4 years.
    And I have asked you now MULTIPLE TIMES, when was the last time conservatives reduced the size of government.
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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Adjusted for inflation? You don't realize that everything is relative? what went on in the 80's was in 80 dollars thus not even appropriate to compare that to today.
    I'm not sure what you're talking about.... I was the one saying we should adjust for inflation. I am saying that adjusted for inflation a number of presidents have added as much or more to the debt in a single term.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    We have net job loss today 2 1/2 years later. The bogus claim about month after month of 800,000 jobs is just another attempt to divert from the dismal Obama record. When Bush handed of the keys he gave Obama the Democrat budget and the Democrat economic plan. They were in charge of Congress and the Obama stimulus plan was supposed to cap unemployment at 8%. Keep blaming it on Bush while ignoring the Obama JAR today.
    I'm not sure if you didn't understand my points or just chose not to respond to them, but either way I guess it is a concession.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Many liberals today just cannot admit who they really are. What is wrong with admitting that you support wealth and income redistribution and control of production? You cannot do it because it shows the world who you are.
    Kiddo, the top income earners are paying lower percentages of taxes than they have in 100 years and less than they pay in any other first world country. So, by your standards, are the entire first world and the US for the last 100 years "socialist"?

    Socialism is a system where the workers control the means of production. That historically has been by the government owning and running all the businesses. Nothing remotely like that is going on in the US or being proposed by anyone. Obviously.

    When you just blurt out "socialism!" over and over given these two things, that just makes you look ignorant.

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It won't salvage anything - the amount being cut is insignificant when spread over 10 years. It's symbolic and political only.
    Welcome to the Republocrats. Nothing they do is significant, just enough to pretend that they are doing something so they can sit around and blame the other side for **** not getting done.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And I have asked you now MULTIPLE TIMES, when was the last time conservatives reduced the size of government.
    I answered the question now when will you?

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I answered the question now when will you?
    Where have you posted that? I did not see an answer. The last "conservative" gave us Department of Homeland Security (2011 operating budget was what, nearly a trillion?), Real ID Act which got bogged down because the States started to oppose such a gross and draconian expansion of government, Patriot Act, warrentless surveillance and taps, wars which still haven't ended (my god, we fought WW II faster than this). All expansions of government, all increased spending, all increased State Building and interventionism. How are we any different than the Democrats who have done the same? Where is your decrease?
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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't see it as blind loyalty but instead reaction to actual results. Results matter more than rhetoric and why would you vote for someone whose results are worse today than when he took office. That isn't the case with Bush, GDP was up significantly as was employment in 2004 plus the candidate was Kerry.

    I will not vote for a third party because all that does is re-elect Obama. that was proven in NY 23 and NY 26. It was also proven in 1992 when Perot took a large percentage of the vote and that was more than enough to elect Clinton.

    I guess in your world reacting to results is being brainwashed whereas doing what your union says isn't? The Republican Party doesn't care what you or I make and that makes it better than the Democrat Party of today. I believe in personal responsiblity and not govt. responsibility on personal issues. Show me where Democrats have ever held anyone accountable for failure?
    you prove my point....it has been republican economic policy since reagan that has led us to this point, now it is time to pay the piper...bush left office just in time to avoid the consequences of his economic policy, economic policy of republicans for several decades now...the republican mantra, cut taxes cut taxes cut taxes, cutting taxes is the cure all...no, it isnt....and the republican party doesnt care what you make? lol, sweet jeezus, YES THEY DO!! they want the rich richer, corporations richer, their campaign donors richer, they are the party of big(wanting to get bigger) business, and the wealthy, and do everything in their power to help business, and have little regard for those actually making the product, providing the services that this country needs/uses, and scream from the rooftops if those who actually make the products and provide the services ask for a little more whipped cream on their collective piece of the pie. they attempt to change regulations regarding when overtime has to be paid, argue against minimum wage laws, and lose their damned minds when you mention 'union'...they don't care what you make? seems to me they make an effort to keep the actual worker 'in his place', seem to think that we should lick their boots, and be damned thankful we have that 'minimum wage' job that doesnt pay the bills , and all the while trying to gut social programs and safety nets, gut education funding(god forbid you try to get an education so you can move up and join their club, can't have that, we need those low wage workers)

    They don't care what you make? yeah, tell that line of BS to someone else.

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I'm not sure what you're talking about.... I was the one saying we should adjust for inflation. I am saying that adjusted for inflation a number of presidents have added as much or more to the debt in a single term.



    I'm not sure if you didn't understand my points or just chose not to respond to them, but either way I guess it is a concession.



    Kiddo, the top income earners are paying lower percentages of taxes than they have in 100 years and less than they pay in any other first world country. So, by your standards, are the entire first world and the US for the last 100 years "socialist"?

    Socialism is a system where the workers control the means of production. That historically has been by the government owning and running all the businesses. Nothing remotely like that is going on in the US or being proposed by anyone. Obviously.

    When you just blurt out "socialism!" over and over given these two things, that just makes you look ignorant.
    Guess being right makes me ignorant in your book. 47% of income earners pay zero in FIT so what is their percentage and fair share? you telling me that an income earner cannot pay a $100 a year or something? As usual focus on percentage of income and not the amount paid. Top 1% pay 38% of all taxes paid and liberals don't believe that is their fair share?

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