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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    if that's true, why has obama proposed cuts to medicare? it's about revenue as well as spending, only the blindly partisan refuse to see that.
    He's doing that to sway the political middle... he knows for a fact liberal Democrats will not vote for a Republican - his political base is safe as long as he doesn't go too far. A small cut in medicare/medicaid is just enough to show how "fair" he is and he can crow about it to the political middle and claim his centrist views. It's a good tactic to try and rise above partisan ideologue claims against him as it's small enough not too hurt too much over the next 10 years and it's enough of a something to make political hay on the campaign trail.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Define the bs rhetoric as it seems actual data has no place in your world. Think that people who aren't paying any FIT are going to have any trouble forcing those that do to pay more? How are they going to react when someone raises their taxes by implementing a flat tax?
    Obama's only chance is to create so many dependent people that they have to vote just to keep their benefits that the taxpayers are funding.
    the above is bs rhetoric, are you denying that?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    please, answer the question put before you, and quit diverting...i want to know, what inspires such blind loyalty from you? yes con, i am a member of the UAW, and proud of it, and i find you constantly bringing it up to be amusing, to say the least....now, what inspires your blind loyalty, if one was to apply your 'standards' equally to republicans and democrats, you would be screaming about both, and voting third party....but, you don't...you are a loyal minion of the Republican party, and as long as there is an (R) next to the name, they will get your vote...i am just curious, trying to understand, what the republican party does to keep your blind loyalty, to keep you in lock step, with the rest of the minions....so...please answer the question, and don't divert.
    my husband is a gm retiree.......and many, many of our acquaintances retired with bad knees, screwed up shoulders, you name it. possibly some union workers don't earn their pay, but i can tell you that anyone who works on a line does. luckily, my husband didn't have to do that for 30 years. it's unfortunate that people don't realize what great strides in wages and benefits that unions brought to all.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    please, answer the question put before you, and quit diverting...i want to know, what inspires such blind loyalty from you? yes con, i am a member of the UAW, and proud of it, and i find you constantly bringing it up to be amusing, to say the least....now, what inspires your blind loyalty, if one was to apply your 'standards' equally to republicans and democrats, you would be screaming about both, and voting third party....but, you don't...you are a loyal minion of the Republican party, and as long as there is an (R) next to the name, they will get your vote...i am just curious, trying to understand, what the republican party does to keep your blind loyalty, to keep you in lock step, with the rest of the minions....so...please answer the question, and don't divert.
    I don't see it as blind loyalty but instead reaction to actual results. Results matter more than rhetoric and why would you vote for someone whose results are worse today than when he took office. That isn't the case with Bush, GDP was up significantly as was employment in 2004 plus the candidate was Kerry.

    I will not vote for a third party because all that does is re-elect Obama. that was proven in NY 23 and NY 26. It was also proven in 1992 when Perot took a large percentage of the vote and that was more than enough to elect Clinton.

    I guess in your world reacting to results is being brainwashed whereas doing what your union says isn't? The Republican Party doesn't care what you or I make and that makes it better than the Democrat Party of today. I believe in personal responsiblity and not govt. responsibility on personal issues. Show me where Democrats have ever held anyone accountable for failure?

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Please name for me ANY President in Modern history that has added 4 trillion to the debt in 3 years
    Adjusted for inflation, several of them. That's what happens in a recession this big.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    had a net job loss over 2 years after the end of a recession
    Ah ha! So you concede that your previous claim that we are "still losing jobs" was not true and now you've retreated to that we've lost jobs total over Obama's term. That is true. First he had to stop the bleeding, then we had to start recovering. We haven't yet recovered to the point where we're better off than when we started. True. But that wouldn't really be expected. When Bush handed over the keys we were losing an astounding 800,000 jobs a month. Just one month like that would take 3-5 good months to make up for. So, yeah, we still have a ways to go in terms of recovery. But, again, what is better a slow recovery or a rapid collapse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Add that to the rising miery index and socialist economic programs and it boils down to Obama, you had your chance, you are fired!
    Honestly, when you guys say "socialist" is just makes you look dumb...

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    as I pointed out the Obama job approval rating reflects the American view of his performance
    You know who has a worse approval rating than Obama? Every single Republican candidate for president, Congressional Republicans as a whole, the Republican Party and the Tea Party... Again, what is better? Recovering too slowly or collapsing? Nobody is super psyched about either, but certainly a slow recovery is the better of the two options.
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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    my husband is a gm retiree.......and many, many of our acquaintances retired with bad knees, screwed up shoulders, you name it. possibly some union workers don't earn their pay, but i can tell you that anyone who works on a line does. luckily, my husband didn't have to do that for 30 years. it's unfortunate that people don't realize what great strides in wages and benefits that unions brought to all.
    What is amazing is that people look back at the 40's and believe that is applicable today. We have laws on the books today so why are unions needed? Look at what unions have done to Detroit today?

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    teamosil;1059807778]Adjusted for inflation, several of them. That's what happens in a recession this big.
    Adjusted for inflation? You don't realize that everything is relative? what went on in the 80's was in 80 dollars thus not even appropriate to compare that to today.


    Ah ha! So you concede that your previous claim that we are "still losing jobs" was not true and now you've retreated to that we've lost jobs total over Obama's term. That is true. First he had to stop the bleeding, then we had to start recovering. We haven't yet recovered to the point where we're better off than when we started. True. But that wouldn't really be expected. When Bush handed over the keys we were losing an astounding 800,000 jobs a month. Just one month like that would take 3-5 good months to make up for. So, yeah, we still have a ways to go in terms of recovery. But, again, what is better a slow recovery or a rapid collapse?
    We have net job loss today 2 1/2 years later. The bogus claim about month after month of 800,000 jobs is just another attempt to divert from the dismal Obama record. When Bush handed of the keys he gave Obama the Democrat budget and the Democrat economic plan. They were in charge of Congress and the Obama stimulus plan was supposed to cap unemployment at 8%. Keep blaming it on Bush while ignoring the Obama JAR today.


    Honestly, when you guys say "socialist" is just makes you look dumb...
    Many liberals today just cannot admit who they really are. What is wrong with admitting that you support wealth and income redistribution and control of production? You cannot do it because it shows the world who you are.

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He's doing that to sway the political middle... he knows for a fact liberal Democrats will not vote for a Republican - his political base is safe as long as he doesn't go too far. A small cut in medicare/medicaid is just enough to show how "fair" he is and he can crow about it to the political middle and claim his centrist views. It's a good tactic to try and rise above partisan ideologue claims against him as it's small enough not too hurt too much over the next 10 years and it's enough of a something to make political hay on the campaign trail.
    yes, it's a good tactic, it's also exactly what he should be doing to salvage our economy.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    yes, it's a good tactic, it's also exactly what he should be doing to salvage our economy.
    salvage our economy? Good Lord, what has obama done to make the economy better? Wow, this truly is a cult following and behavior

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    the above is bs rhetoric, are you denying that?
    I don't see it as BS at all. Democrats in particular extend government benefits in my opinion, primarily to garner votes. If a person is given food for 2 years and doesn't have to work to pay for that food and someone comes along who says, "I voted and was instrumental in getting you food for the last two years and I need your support to vote for me so I can continue to get you that food because, the person who wants my job wants to stop giving you that food and make you get up every day and work for it. If you vote for me, I'll continue and get you more food, I promise. Won't you vote for me?"

    It's an analogy but it's partially true... the amount of government assistance is at an all time high and the argument for that assistance has some merit. But when there's talk of 3 years of unemployment benefits... it's over the top IMO.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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