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Obama Extends Cuba Embargo One Year

radcen said:
Maybe the Castro regime being against ending the embargo is reason enough to end it.
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" Originally Posted by Sandokan
According to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Cuban regime's refusal to entertain the Obama administration's overtures to improve relations reveals that the Castro dictatorship is "an intransigent, entrenched regime," with no interest in political reform.

"It is my personal belief," Secretary Clinton said, "that the Castros do not want to see an end to the embargo and do not want to see normalization with the United States, because they would lose all of their excuses for what hasn't happened in Cuba in the last 50 years." Amen to that."

Clinton stated that it is her personal belief.. That's an opinion, not a fact. We, the USA, have screwed Cuba for the last 50 years. Sometimes, one should just face reality and talk reality. This is one such case. Whether Castro is a good guy or a bad guy must be related to the welfare of Cubans. The best healthcare in the Western hemisphere. Low pollution. No Obamss, no Newt Gingriches, no GWSnortMyShorts, just poor crooked Cuban politicians with no power and no big banks and corporations to get them power. Woe is we, sounds like a success story for the worker's paradise, don't you think?
 
Tigger said:
The only problem was he missed adding the three zeros to the end of the time frame that the act should have been extended.
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Well - what Dems are good for are only making short-term decisions and then passing the buck onto the next guys. Obama has a winning streak in this way: short term teacher, short term senator, short term president
 
Sandokan said:
The necessary steps required to be taken by the Castros’ military dictatorship to lift the embargo shall be:

a) Opposition parties should have the freedom to organize, assemble, and speak, with equal access to all airwaves. All political prisoners must be released and allowed to participate.

b) Human rights organizations should be free to visit Cuba to ensure that the conditions for free elections are being created.

Without major steps by the regime to open up its political system and its economic system, trade with the regime will not help the Cuban people.
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If this is your standard then I would expect you to be an equal advocate for a trade embargo with China. Come to think of it, perhaps other countries might have trade embargoes with the US until we comply with these standards ourselves. Strong arguments could be made that the US does not have free elections (must pay to play.... must be bought), has political prisoners (in Cuba, ironically) and limited access to its own airwaves (concentration of ownership of our press among a very few media companies).

What is the quote? "...people that live in stone houses shouldn't throw glass..." or something like that.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Well - what Dems are good for are only making short-term decisions and then passing the buck onto the next guys. Obama has a winning streak in this way: short term teacher, short term senator, short term president
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Eight years is as long as it gets.....
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Well - what Dems are good for are only making short-term decisions and then passing the buck onto the next guys. Obama has a winning streak in this way: short term teacher, short term senator, short term president
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That last remains to be seen. The Republicans have to first nominate someone who isn't Perry or Cain. They can still snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
 
If it is possible to enter an independent country and murder their leader, as was done in the case of Libya, then it should make no difference in the case of Cuba. The precedence has been established.
 
Grant said:
If it is possible to enter an independent country and murder their leader, as was done in the case of Libya, then it should make no difference in the case of Cuba. The precedence has been established.
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They've tried plenty hard over the decades... exploding cigars and all.
 
Grant said:
If it is possible to enter an independent country and murder their leader, as was done in the case of Libya, then it should make no difference in the case of Cuba. The precedence has been established.
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Agreed. It sure would fit the same definition as murder. So murder must be good. Precedence established. Oh yeh! Thieu in Vietnam. Allende in Chile. Hussein in Iraq. Just to name a few. Very profitable over the long run. A genuine corporate gold mine. Ain't nothin' like well organized assassinations, killings, and assorted mayhem with death and chaos and a nice profit for all involved. Let's not look too hard at Latin America, eh?
 
DaveFagan said:
Agreed. It sure would fit the same definition as murder. So murder must be good. Precedence established. Oh yeh! Thieu in Vietnam. Allende in Chile. Hussein in Iraq. Just to name a few. Very profitable over the long run. A genuine corporate gold mine. Ain't nothin' like well organized assassinations, killings, and assorted mayhem with death and chaos and a nice profit for all involved. Let's not look too hard at Latin America, eh?
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Barrack Obama had no problem in killing Gadaffi. Why not Fidel Castro? Why wait until after the election to make the tough decisions?

And indeed why not any Hitlers, Stalins. Saddams, or anyone else committing mass murder?
 
Grant said:
Barrack Obama had no problem in killing Gadaffi. Why not Fidel Castro? Why wait until after the election to make the tough decisions?

And indeed why not any Hitlers, Stalins. Saddams, or anyone else committing mass murder?
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Why not destabilize the entire international order while were at it.
 
Grant said:
Barrack Obama had no problem in killing Gadaffi. Why not Fidel Castro? Why wait until after the election to make the tough decisions?

And indeed why not any Hitlers, Stalins. Saddams, or anyone else committing mass murder?
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Why wait, indeed? Why wait until 2013 to make cuts to the budget? Why wait to assassinate the devil du jour? Could it be to get reelected before doing something unpopular?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Why wait, indeed? Why wait until 2013 to make cuts to the budget? Why wait to assassinate the devil du jour? Could it be to get reelected before doing something unpopular?
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Absolutely he's waiting until after the election. The Keystone Pipeline is another case in point.
 
Tigger said:
I'm a Nationalist and an Isolationist....
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Is that so... tell us more of these "nationalist" views you have. What do they entail?
 
Obama Cuba Must Reform (Video)
Capitol Hill Cubans: Obama: Cuba Must Reform (Video)
at 2:37 PM Wednesday, September 28, 2011

Your position regarding Cuba and the embargo? What should the Cuban people expect from you and your government during the remainder of your term, and in the future if you're reelected?

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You don’t need to look further; here you have the answer from the “Horse” mouth:

“It is necessary to impose financial, economic and material restrictions to dictatorships, so that they will not take roots for long years….Diplomatic and morals measures do not work against dictatorships, because these make fun of the Governments and the population”. Fidel Castro (Excerpt from the book “Fidel Castro and Human Rights”, Editora Política, Havana, Cuba, 1988).
 
Sandokan said:
You don’t need to look further; here you have the answer from the “Horse” mouth:

“It is necessary to impose financial, economic and material restrictions to dictatorships, so that they will not take roots for long years….Diplomatic and morals measures do not work against dictatorships, because these make fun of the Governments and the population”. Fidel Castro (Excerpt from the book “Fidel Castro and Human Rights”, Editora Política, Havana, Cuba, 1988).
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So they will not take root for long years? Castro has been the dictator of Cuba since 1959. Before that, there was a succession of other dictators and occupations going back to independence. Batista was dictator for many years. Cuba has never been free.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Maybe they could pay us back in classic cars.
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Now wait a minute.

Would you want a 1957 Chevy with a foreign engine in it held together with masking tape?

They have had no access to parts for teh last 50 years so they have to put what they can on the cars to keep them running.

I would be surprised if there were any old cars that were not re-engineered in some way.
 
Mason66 said:
Now wait a minute.

Would you want a 1957 Chevy with a foreign engine in it held together with masking tape?

They have had no access to parts for teh last 50 years so they have to put what they can on the cars to keep them running.

I would be surprised if there were any old cars that were not re-engineered in some way.
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There are all kinds of classic auto parts suppliers. Mostly located in Mexico, China, Vietnam, etc. and those are all available to Cubans and ingenuity is not a peculiarly USA citizen virtue. I'm betting they're as roadworthy as any USA vehicle. Possibly more so, because the labor rate is low enough to change the dynamic on what would in this country be a fatal/expensive (to the boneyard) problem. If labor is cheap enough, you fix it.
 
Does this mean that Obama isn't going to buy the oil from Petrobras, that they produce in the North Cuba Basin?
 
Until he gets elected then he'll open things up. He has nothing to lose. The embargo has done ****, maybe a little tourist commerce will speed up capitalismo and soon enough Cuba will be the corrupt cess pool it was in the 50's. But it was a "friendly to us" corrupt cess pool.
 
apdst said:
Does this mean that Obama isn't going to buy the oil from Petrobras, that they produce in the North Cuba Basin?
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Probably not. What is he going to do with oil?

Who knows where the oil that goes into the jet fuel for AF1 and the gas for his limo comes from?
 
Cubans can now own such essentials like computers, microwave ovens, DVD players and cell phones. Think about how absurd it is. Can somebody tell me what ever happened to The Embargo? When was it suspended? Was it in the news? I must have missed it.
How did all those products get to the island? How did they get (and so quickly) all the electrical appliances, cell phones, and so many goodies that “The Embargo” was keeping from the poor and embargoed people of Cuba?

It's not The Embargo, stupid!. It's the Castros brothers dictatorship, stupid. They are, they have been “The Embargo”
 
tjinta ibis said:
Until he gets elected then he'll open things up. He has nothing to lose. The embargo has done ****, maybe a little tourist commerce will speed up capitalismo and soon enough Cuba will be the corrupt cess pool it was in the 50's. But it was a "friendly to us" corrupt cess pool.
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And the pre Castro people had the most basic right of all. The right to leave.

Fidel Castro didn't clean up any "cess pool", he built on it, and murdered hundreds of thousands of people while destroying innumerable other lives in the process. To believe otherwise is willful ignorance.
 
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