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Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

haymarket said:
please enlighten all of us then with the verifiable evidence of such charges and allegations.
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Been to the war zone in Detroit lately? Listen to Jimmy Hoffa lately? Doubt that either really matter to you.
 
lpast said:
This country wasnt built on paying americans a wage they cant live on so the pigs at the trough can have it all....this country wasnt built on people working all their lives then living like dogs in their old age because the pigs at the trough stripped everything from them....UNIONS and regulations are the only thing in the way of the pigs going back to the sweatshops and working all native americans like illegal mexicans for NO Minimum wage....and I dont have to prove it either...just look around you the proof is right there...WALMART the biggest employer in the country...>GE paying zero taxs and rewarding us by moving a division to ch ina....but heres the BEST ONE FOR YOU
All the superconservatives used toyota and honda ans shining examples of success because they arent unionized...
Honda in 2014 will have built an almost billion dollar plant to service the USA and canada...guess where...MEXICO...
Dont even try to tell me that unions are the cause of the pigs at the trough giving the jobs outside the country...ITS PURE GREED....period...
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This country was built on hard work, initiative, drive, creativity not the entitlement mentality. Pay is market driven not govt. driven and it is frustrating to see the education our kids are getting today that says differently.

Do you realize that the head of the Obama Jobs Committee, the CEO of GE is moving jobs overseas as well? Where is your outrage? You just don't get it, business has lost confidence in this Administration and the American tax code and pays a lot to Seniors in the form of dividends. They are in business to make a profit and until Obama is fired they aren't going to hire people. You talk about greed and ignore the biggest greed of all, GOVERNMENT GREED which keeps people dependent and thus keeps politicians employed.
 
lpast said:
I read an article where an economist said we cant get out of this recession because there is no middle class buying us out of it...and stimulating the economy.
The teaparty wants Rich and Poor and there wont be anyone in the middle to buy their chinese crap
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How do you know what the T.E.A. Party wants? What makes you an expert and where did you read that information? When I see the response here from some I fear for our country as the ignorance is staggering. It is liberalism that is destroying the middle class, not the T.E.A. Party or conservatives.
 
j-mac said:
Either you are being blatantly disingenuous, or you have been in a cave since your hero Obama was elected....Here, read up...



Default means they were all but sentenced. Now maybe you'd like to explain why Holder would drop the charges? Nah, forget it, I don't have time to read your BS.

j-mac
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Ok, had to check that out.

The CRIMINAL charges were dropped by the BUSH Justice Department.

What you are referring to was a civil suit brought against the Black Panther Party and tha individuals involved in the incident.

Default was the key term that caught my eye. That's NOT what they call it when you fail to appear in a CRIMINAL case.

So nobody was going to jail. And BUSH'S guys made that call.

This is over a civil case. Just for clarity's sake.
 
Conservative said:
Nor is there any proof that Scott Walker did anything wrong either but that isn't the intent of this thread and you know it. There is plenty of proof that Obama has wasted hundreds of billions of dollars in stimulus money and the American taxpayer will never see again and that is a crime.
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Again, you're attempting to change the dynamics of the thread. Neither President Obama involvement concerning Solyndra nor the GPS frequency interference situation are at question here. Nonetheless, just as there are questions that need to be answered concerning these two issues w/the Obama Administration - I openly concede that - so does the corrollation between Gov. Walker and his two employees need to be properly addressed.

It's perfectly fine to ask questions of our public officials. As taxpaying citizens, that's what we're suppose to do. Still, I'm all for letting these investigations play themselves out before passing judgment.
 
What if...? said:
Without reading the thread, I'm willing to bet that the same people who have been bashing Obama over the Solyndra raid, convicting him without trial, will sing an ENTIRELY different tune over THIS raid.

"Don't rush to judgement!"

"Its a liberal hatchet job!"

"They're only focusing on this to cover Obamas crimes involving Solyndra"

Now lets watch!
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What's my score? What's my score?

I HAVE been spending too much time here.

(At this rate I'll just get accused of having read the thread!)
 
Objective Voice said:
Again, you're attempting to change the dynamics of the thread. Neither President Obama involvement concerning Solyndra nor the GPS frequency interference situation are at question here. Nonetheless, just as there are questions that need to be answered concerning these two issues w/the Obama Administration - I openly concede that - so does the corrollation between Gov. Walker and his two employees need to be properly addressed.

It's perfectly fine to ask questions of our public officials. As taxpaying citizens, that's what we're suppose to do. Still, I'm all for letting these investigations play themselves out before passing judgment.
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Fair enough but what we do know is that Solyndra cost the American Taxpayers over 500 million dollars and there are other "Green" Loans made to other companies that total in the billions that have been flushed down the toilet. Those are Federal Taxdollars not Wisconsin taxpayers and thus a national scandal that is being exposed.
 
What if...? said:
What's my score? What's my score?

I HAVE been spending too much time here.

(At this rate I'll just get accused of having read the thread!)
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I doubt seriously that anything posted is going to change the mind of an Obama cult follower. Wonder what it is about liberalism that creates such loyalty and prevents people from actually getting the facts.
 
lpast said:
I read an article where an economist said we cant get out of this recession because there is no middle class buying us out of it...and stimulating the economy.
The teaparty wants Rich and Poor and there wont be anyone in the middle to buy their chinese crap
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]See there is something I can almost agree with . sometimes even a liberal makes a point then buries it stupid rhetoric.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You're right we have and are losing our middle class, and we have companies moving out of this country left and right. But while you call it greed, I call it survival. We as Americans, in our want of more things, decided long ago that American made wasn't the way to go. That our money would go further if we brought goods made in another country at a cheaper price. Any similar American company if it wanted to stay alive, and compete, had to find ways of lowering their costs. They quickly found out that moving to another country, would not only allow them to compete, but flourish. So yes in a way you can call it greed, they could have stayed in the US, and failed, gone out of business completely. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So while you are right in the respect that we are losing our middle class, in my opinion, you are wrong about everything else, the tea party doesn't want to destroy the middle class, they are smart enough to realized that you can't build a middle class merely by taking the money from the rich, and giving it to people to become middle class. The numbers just won't allow it to work. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What needs to be done, is for government, to have less regulation, with that regulation being more effective and meaningful. Smaller but more efficient. Our tax structure needs to be completely over hauled, and someone in government, needs to sit down and find out what, within reason can be done to start attracting businesses back to the US..... I think that everyone needs to wake up to that without drawing factories and corporations back into the US we are head to more and more hard times. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The answer, and only answer is jobs, without getting them back, no amount of tax increases, no amount of spending cuts, is going to get us back on track. . Our need is to build the middle class, as that happens our tax load is spread out among more people. So this is the main difference between liberals and conservatives, liberals think that we just need to tax those 2% out of existence and our problem is fixed, while conservatives think, that giving that 47% that now don't pay any federal income tax, the opportunity to find a job that will rise them up, and have them as part of our tax paying base, is the way to fix our problems. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It's, as I keep saying, a circle the middle class buys the products that support the corporations, but it's those very same corporations that the middle class works for, that can create a strong middle class. For anyone to think that we can have a strong middle class without the corporations is just as foolish as thinking we can have a strong industrialized country without the middle class. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The problem we have right now, is we don't have the industry to create a middle class, the people are there ready to fill that gap, but the jobs aren't. So we better find out what needs to be done to get them here in our country, or be satisfied with the way things are, and knowing they will get worse. [/FONT]
 
haymarket said:
j-mac asked to give him a break and I am more than willing to do that and I am sure others here also are willing to do that. I am sure he will provide the evidence of the crimes of unions within minutes and have every confidence he will back up his vague allegations with specific information which will be easy to verify.
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All fun aside, I DO think he was speaking generically rather than specifically. I still don't agree fully with his assessment, but I do think that's what he meant.
 
pbrauer said:
:agree

Too many people today don't realize that to have a vibrant economy there needs to be a strong middle class, on the other hand, perhaps all they worry about is themselves.
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okay ..... excactly .. how are you going to build that strong middle class with out jobs to support them ?
 
The Barbarian said:
okay ..... excactly .. how are you going to build that strong middle class with out jobs to support them ?
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That is a great question for the liberals. Think that the Govt. is going to create that middle class and if so with what?
 
The Barbarian said:
Well glad to hear you think that ... . in 2012 .. .when the KKK stands in front of black voting polls .. . with nooses, I'm sure you will feel the very same way.

I guess those that six career lawyers at Justice who had recommended continuing to pursue the case were overruled ........ didn't have any idea what they were talking about
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To be an accurate illustration they'd have to be standing in front of WHITE polling places. As the Panthers in question were standing in front of a predominantly black precinct.

And the BUSH justice department dropped the CRIMINAL charges.

You're talking about the CIVIL case.
 
Conservative said:
That is a great question for the liberals. Think that the Govt. is going to create that middle class and if so with what?
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A trickle up tax policy vs. a trickle down policy.
 
Conservative said:
So where is your outrage over giving Solyndra 500 million dollars of taxpayer money? How much did that big donor give to Obama?
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You forgot to read the OP again I see, it mentions nothing about Obama. Try down the hall and to the right for the Obama threads. You can't miss it there are signs along the way.
 
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Conservative said:
Has Scott Walker been indicted? If not are you going to come back and apologize?
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I haven't condemned him. But if you agree to apologize to Obama if he is found innocent of wrongdoing in Solyndra, I will apologize to Walker for all liberalkind if he is cleared.

Whatcha say?
 
Conservative said:
I doubt seriously that anything posted is going to change the mind of an Obama cult follower. Wonder what it is about liberalism that creates such loyalty and prevents people from actually getting the facts.
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Youre just mad because I got you on the "but what about Obamas record" prediction too.
 
Catawba said:
You forgot to read the OP again I see, it mentions nothing about Obama. Try down the hall and to the right for the Obama threads. You can't miss it there are signs along the way.
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Some simply cannot get over the Wisconsin Public Union debate so they are looking for something to destroy Walker since the recall effort isn't going to work so what I am pointing out is that the Wisconsin problem is local but what Solyndra is implicates "your" President and cost the taxpayer hundreds of millions when this country is broke. Easy to tell the liberal agenda here.
 
winston53660 said:
A trickle up tax policy vs. a trickle down policy.
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you already have 47% of the working population, that pay nothing in federal income tax, Nothing.. nadda ... you have a government that is already running a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit,

So please, explain, how your trickle up tax policy is going to work. Your are only talking about 2% of the working population. That's 3 million people... making 250,000 dollars or more even if you were to tax them an average of 100,000 "MORE" that only comes up to 300 billion dollars, still a shortfall of 1.2 trillion dollars a year, and that's with everyone else paying at least the same in taxes as they do now ... I fail to see any benefit for the middle class, other then the US accumulating over 1 trillion dollars a year more in debt.
 
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What if...? said:
I haven't condemned him. But if you agree to apologize to Obama if he is found innocent of wrongdoing in Solyndra, I will apologize to Walker for all liberalkind if he is cleared.

Whatcha say?
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So losing over 500 million on Solyndra isn't bad enough for you? Doubt there is going to be an apology, the proof is already there. A big donor got the Obama Administration and their Chicago style politics to fast track the loan to that donor's company after Bush Administration stopped the program.
 
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