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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    do you think that aides to anyone else would be a thread topic?
    Yes, as has been pointed out already by NextEra, investigations into alleged political corruption are always big news items.
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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    answer the question
    At the very least the op greatly implied that Walker was guilty.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Ahh, yes, Walker was going to bring honesty back to Wisconsin politics. You know, I knew something like this might happen. Why? Because Walker is just another politician, and Republican or Democrat, they are ALL scum bags.
    This is a non sensical statement unless you truly believe Walker is guilty.

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    At the very least the op greatly implied that Walker was guilty.
    Not sure I see that. Is just reporting it an implication?

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    First of all, thank you for your service and if you recall you were fighting for the right of equal opportunity not equal outcome. If you went to work in the public sector it was your choice and no one held a gun to your head to do that. Public workers work at the pleasure of the public and get raises and benefits on the backs of the people that pay their salary. There is a reason FDR was against public unions and there is a reason states are almost bankrupt now, they are basically one in the same, reasons against public unions. I am sure the 16 years in the military and years as a public employee made you marketable so rather than complain about what you are being paid find another job more in line with your belief as to your value.
    Again, I have to stop you especially for being so condesending at the end there.

    It took me 6 months to find sturdy employment. I went on dozens of job interviews and went from temp-job to temp-job, and at one point took a low-paying job in the retail industry just to supplement my severage pay received from Uncle Sam when I left the service. The only reason I took this job in state government was because it was the only job offer I got that paid well enough meet cost-of-living expenses for my family's needs.

    I get so tired of the partisan, theoretical "equal opportunity, equal outcome" argument. We're people, not some god damned lab experiment gone horrorbly wrong. I really wish people like you would stop referring to folks that way. Makes you look heartless and extremely foolish. Hence, the condesending part. I use to think somewhat as you do until I begin to see firsthand how Corporate America sometimes destroy people without a care in the world. Because the only thing they truly care about is their bottom line.

    I don't have a lot of use for unions as you can tell. I believe in personal responsibility. I was looking for a job when I found my first one and felt like I was on a day to day contract. If I didn't perform then I would lose my job thus I learned as much as possible and made myself quite valuable. The company owed me nothing other than the opportunity I got, the rest was my responsibility and I took advantage of it. I lasted in that job for 35 years, imagine that?
    Congratulations to you. But don't you see that folks like me are only trying to do the exact same thing? If you could speak to my co-workers they'd tell you I'm a very worthwhile employee. I'm a very modest person. So, when they tell me how much they appreciate my services for even the little things I do, I often tell them I'm undeserving of such praise. I take their gratitude in stride, but they know the type of employee that have in me which would explain why they all paniced when I informed them via my immediate supervisor that I was going on a job interview recently in the private sector. Turned out, it wasn't a position worth my while, but it was worth a shot.

    By the way, my Dad served in the Navy and was at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 and I served in the Army. Got a good education from my dad and the military which made me marketable.
    My worthwhile appreciations to your dad and again to myself. Seems we both can make the same claim concerning our fathers. It just strikes me odd how one father can teach his son to be God fearing and exhibit the compassionate spirit of our Lord and Savior towards our fellow man while another who very well may have been raised to exhibit these same values can instead turn out to be so cold and heartless.

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Objective Voice;1059801241]Unions only seek what is fair and honorable. For example, how many CEOs and/or politicians at state and federal levels have claimed that their respective treasuries are broke and yet they still either gave themselves hefty bonuses or voted themselves pay raises within the last two years? While you ponder that, how many of those same high ranking officials have laid off their employees using the excuse that they had to do some cost-cutting?
    Fair and honorable to whom? I don't really have a problem with private unions as such because private sector management has to deal with the shareholders and Board when they make a bad decision. That bad decision doesn't impact the taxpayer but public unions are another issue. I will never support public union employees for the same reason FDR didn't and I was not a FDR fan.

    Granted, there certainly were some unions in the past who sought big salaries and hefty benefits packages for their union membership, but the days of big national labor unions are long gone. That's why conservatism's latest targets have been the EPA, DoEd, public employee unions and collective bargaining rights of public employees. Ironically, these are the some of the same fights from days of old going back as far as the 50's, 60's and 70's. You've just migrated from the private sector to the public sector in order to exact your greed.
    Who pays public sector union employees and who represents the will of the employer? Public unions negotiate with a politician who will be out of office sometime in the future but the taxpayers are obligated for the deals made. It is always easier negotiating with someone else's money

    Conservatism says private companies should have the right to establish unions within their own doors. Corporate ownership says if a worker performs well even if part of a corporate union he/she will be paid well. From what I can tell, those of us who have followed that creed and did our jobs can't meet today's cost-of-living standards. The federal minimum wages just doesn't cut it in today's economy. But the irony here is if you listen to business owners you won't hear them complain that it's employee salaries and benefits that's the problem. It's high corporate taxes!!! So, which is it, man?
    If the employees of a private sector business wants to unionize then it is up to the company to decide whether they will accept that or move out of state or out of the country. Name for me any union that pays minimum wage and then do the same thing for large corporations that aren't unionized. Minimum wage goes to mostly people between the ages of 16-24 not Fortune 500 companies. Tell me what any union has invested in either the private or public sector. Private sector companies cannot print money like the Federal govt. can so when they cannot meet their expenses they shut down. The public sector just raises taxes or the Federal Govt. prints or borrows more money. What many don't seem to understand is that businesses today pay Federal, State, and in some cases local taxes so when you raise the Federal Taxes you impact state revenue as well. Most companies will move out of high tax states to lower tax states when federal taxes go up. TX has no problem taking on new businesses and new taxpayers.

    Again, I remind you I didn't become a union member until recently. Nearly 10 years of faithful employment with high performance standards. FIVE YEARS without a pay raise. Yet, I know what many state governments have done over the years...relied heavily on municipal bond markets to carry their cashflow, but the bond markets began to tank. Who were the easiest targets to scapegoat? PUBLIC EMPLOYEES! Same hold true in the private sector - lay people off and blame unions instead of getting your corporate finances in order. Of course, some CEO's would see laying off employees as a true measure towards "cleaning up their books"...same as state governments. And yet they will also make the bold claim that "people are our best asset". Oh, really?
    No question about it some corporations are irresponsible but so are some public sector employers and employees. Irresponsibility is rewarded by companies going out of business in the private sector but in the public sector it is rewarded by higher taxes on the people that pay the bills. Sound reasonable to you?

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, as has been pointed out already by NextEra, investigations into alleged political corruption are always big news items.
    Good, let's hope Solyndra and all the "green" job stimulus money wasted by this Administration meets the same scrutiny

    And then this

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...-house-backed/
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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure I see that. Is just reporting it an implication?
    No, just reporting it - not an implication at all. However, he did more than that. He indicated he knew this would happen because Walker is just as big a scum bag as the rest of the politicians. Do you truly believe that statement makes any sense what so ever if you don't think Walker is guilty?

    If I posted this article and said "I knew this would happen because the unions are just filled with thugs that will do anything to get their way", how would you take that? Of course you would take it that I am blaming unions for this investigation just to take down Walker - a politican who got in the way of the money.

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    excellent post....16yrs in the navy..wow...THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!
    You're welcome. I was only too proud to serve. Learned alot - much of which I still take with me - and had alot of fun!

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    No, just reporting it - not an implication at all. However, he did more than that. He indicated he knew this would happen because Walker is just as big a scum bag as the rest of the politicians. Do you truly believe that statement makes any sense what so ever if you don't think Walker is guilty?

    If I posted this article and said "I knew this would happen because the unions are just filled with thugs that will do anything to get their way", how would you take that? Of course you would take it that I am blaming unions for this investigation just to take down Walker - a politican who got in the way of the money.
    OK, you mean the person who posted it. As you separated your response, I thought you were refering to the article, which is different.

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    a statement from J-mac




    my response and question to him



    his response to my question



    Now either your answer makes no sense in any way, shape or form, or you seem to hve forgotten the very words you typed in your first statement with the contradictory accusation that people did these terrible things and were convicted and the charges dropped. Holder did not make this claim - YOU did.

    I ask you again, how can one be convicted of something if the charges have been dropped? Those are two opposite actions.

    Can you explain this for us please?
    Either you are being blatantly disingenuous, or you have been in a cave since your hero Obama was elected....Here, read up...

    On the day President Obama was elected, armed men wearing the black berets and jackboots of the New Black Panther Party were stationed at the entrance to a polling place in Philadelphia. They brandished a weapon and intimidated voters and poll watchers. After the election, the Justice Department brought a voter-intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party and those armed thugs. I and other Justice attorneys diligently pursued the case and obtained an entry of default after the defendants ignored the charges. Before a final judgment could be entered in May 2009, our superiors ordered us to dismiss the case.

    ADAMS: Inside the Black Panther case - Washington Times
    Default means they were all but sentenced. Now maybe you'd like to explain why Holder would drop the charges? Nah, forget it, I don't have time to read your BS.

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