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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    Keep the uneducated anti-union bs coming....lol UAW AND PROUD OF IT
    Throughout my business career the only ones I found to be truly union proud are the ones who don't have confidence in themselves and are incapable of competing in the marketplace. Many union members shortchange themselves by becoming too dependent on their unions and thus miss out on promotions and other growth opportunities. I have found many retired union employees that aren't so union proud today because looking back they realize how foolish they were putting so much faith in someone else. Never look back and say you are sorry, randel, for anything that you did. Lack of initiative and drive are something that you will be sorry for in the future.

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'm gonna have to challenge you here, Conservative.

    I proudly served my country on active-duty in the Navy for nearly 16-years. When I left the Navy, I did so under Honorable conditions and had no blimishes on my service record. I came home, found a job in state-government and have proudly performed with high annual performance evaluations well within the "Exceed Standards" category. Now, here's where I should be upset...

    For over 5-years, state employees like myself in my department have continued to serve and uphold the public trust - same as our duly elected public officials are suppose to do - WITHOUT receiving a pay raise. FIVE YEARS!!!

    And until recently, I refused to join a union because I really didn't see the need. I use to think as you do that as long as I came to work on time, did my job and performed well I would be rewarded.

    FIVE YEARS, Conservative WITHOUT a pay raise and what thanks do we honorable public servants have to show for it? Being attacked by Republican officials who claim that we've unjustly receive higher pay, favorable health benefits packages and expensive retirement packages. Folks like you actually believe that people like me are undeserving of the pay and benefits we've EARNED!

    I do my job and I perform well. But until Republicans like Gov. Walker begin to lead this charge against public employee collective bargaining rights and forcing us out the door, I never felt the need to become part of any organized labor movement. So, before you start down that trail of "union employees need someone else to protect them as they are incapable of doing it themselves," you had better first try to understand what employers and state officials of some of these corporations and/or state governments are trying to do to union/public employees.

    It's unfair that I should have to fight to retain my job let alone my pay and benefits that were stated that I would recieve upon agreeing to being employed here only to have those benefits stiffled and my pay frozen while the economy is in shamebles all because of the wreckless spending/budgetary practises of those politicians who were here before me. You chant the better virtues of Conservatism and personal responsibility. Well, what about professional responsibility? Where's the fault with CEOs and politicians who have acted so irresponsibilty to cause this country such short-term irreperable harm? Why shouldn't union members be outraged because of their greed and purposeful excessiveness and the wealth such people have accumulated on the backs of our honorable performance yet the only thing we have to show for our participation in that "wealth accumulation" in the end turns out to be either the prospect a pink slip that comes out of nowhere or our cost-of-living being held in abeyance indefinitely? Mind you, when our supervisors are also feeling the economic pinch who else are we to turn to for help especially when the decisions that are being made are coming at the highest levels of government? It's not our department heads who are calling the shots; it's the so-called Conservative politicians!!!

    So, you tell me who exactly am I to complain to if not to my union rep? Because clearly where state-government is concerned you can't just go to your immediate supervisor or program Director about such matters seeking restitution when they themselves are also in the exact same fight.

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Great idea. Its a twofer, population control and crime control.

    Caught speeding or runnig a red light, officer just shoots the bastard. Shoplifting, cut off both hands before executing.

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    Where did you get that from my post....the hang him comment was literally...it was to the extent of the law

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Throughout my business career the only ones I found to be truly union proud are the ones who don't have confidence in themselves and are incapable of competing in the marketplace. Many union members shortchange themselves by becoming too dependent on their unions and thus miss out on promotions and other growth opportunities. I have found many retired union employees that aren't so union proud today because looking back they realize how foolish they were putting so much faith in someone else. Never look back and say you are sorry, randel, for anything that you did. Lack of initiative and drive are something that you will be sorry for in the future.
    I was wondering how long it would be before you implied i was 'foolish'....i'll say one thing for you, you don't dissapoint when it comes to the rhetoric......UAW AND PROUD OF IT

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Ahh, yes, Walker was going to bring honesty back to Wisconsin politics. You know, I knew something like this might happen. Why? Because Walker is just another politician, and Republican or Democrat, they are ALL scum bags. When are Republicans and Democrats going to wake up and realize that they've been had?

    Article is here.
    I think it is a good thing when corrupt politicians get exposed, regardless of party stripe.
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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'm gonna have to challenge you here, Conservative.

    I proudly served my country on active-duty in the Navy for nearly 16-years. When I left the Navy, I did so under Honorable conditions and had no blimishes on my service record. I came home, found a job in state-government and have proudly performed with high annual performance evaluations well within the "Exceed Standards" category. Now, here's where I should be upset...

    For over 5-years, state employees like myself in my department have continued to serve and uphold the public trust - same as our duly elected public officials are suppose to do - WITHOUT receiving a pay raise. FIVE YEARS!!!

    And until recently, I refused to join a union because I really didn't see the need. I use to think as you do that as long as I came to work on time, did my job and performed well I would be rewarded.

    FIVE YEARS, Conservative WITHOUT a pay raise and what thanks do we honorable public servants have to show for it? Being attacked by Republican officials who claim that we've unjustly receive higher pay, favorable health benefits packages and expensive retirement packages. Folks like you actually believe that people like me are undeserving of the pay and benefits we've EARNED!

    I do my job and I perform well. But until Republicans like Gov. Walker begin to lead this charge against public employee collective bargaining rights and forcing us out the door, I never felt the need to become part of any organized labor movement. So, before you start down that trail of "union employees need someone else to protect them as they are incapable of doing it themselves," you had better first try to understand what employers and state officials of some of these corporations and/or state governments are trying to do to union/public employees.

    It's unfair that I should have to fight to retain my job let alone my pay and benefits that were stated that I would recieve upon agreeing to being employed here only to have those benefits stiffled and my pay frozen while the economy is in shamebles all because of the wreckless spending/budgetary practises of those politicians who were here before me. You chant the better virtues of Conservatism and personal responsibility. Well, what about professional responsibility? Where's the fault with CEOs and politicians who have acted so irresponsibilty to cause this country such short-term irreperable harm? Why shouldn't union members be outraged because of their greed and purposeful excessiveness and the wealth such people have accumulated on the backs of our honorable performance yet the only thing we have to show for our participation in that "wealth accumulation" in the end turns out to be either the prospect a pink slip that comes out of nowhere or our cost-of-living being held in abeyance indefinitely? Mind you, when our supervisors are also feeling the economic pinch who else are we to turn to for help especially when the decisions that are being made are coming at the highest levels of government? It's not our department heads who are calling the shots; it's the so-called Conservative politicians!!!

    So, you tell me who exactly am I to complain to if not to my union rep? Because clearly where state-government is concerned you can't just go to your immediate supervisor or program Director about such matters seeking restitution when they themselves are also in the exact same fight.

    Think before you speak.
    First of all, thank you for your service and if you recall you were fighting for the right of equal opportunity not equal outcome. If you went to work in the public sector it was your choice and no one held a gun to your head to do that. Public workers work at the pleasure of the public and get raises and benefits on the backs of the people that pay their salary. There is a reason FDR was against public unions and there is a reason states are almost bankrupt now, they are basically one in the same, reasons against public unions. I am sure the 16 years in the military and years as a public employee made you marketable so rather than complain about what you are being paid find another job more in line with your belief as to your value.

    I don't have a lot of use for unions as you can tell. I believe in personal responsibility. I was looking for a job when I found my first one and felt like I was on a day to day contract. If I didn't perform then I would lose my job thus I learned as much as possible and made myself quite valuable. The company owed me nothing other than the opportunity I got, the rest was my responsibility and I took advantage of it. I lasted in that job for 35 years, imagine that?

    By the way, my Dad served in the Navy and was at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 and I served in the Army. Got a good education from my dad and the military which made me marketable.
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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I continue to point to the hypocrisy of liberals who have already convicted Walker while ignoring charges made against Obama. These are charges that have not been substantiated but that doesn't mean that Walker hasn't been convicted in the minds of liberals. We have issues like Solyndra and othere "Green" companies receiving taxpayer money that have declared bankruptcy and charges made that loans were fast tracked without good DD and in the case of Solyndra recommended that the loan not happen. So why is it charges against a Republican are valid before proven and those made against the Obama Administration not valid when already proven?
    Who in this thread has said Walker is guilty of anything?
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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who in this thread has said Walker is guilty of anything?
    do you think that aides to anyone else would be a thread topic?

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

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    do you think that aides to anyone else would be a thread topic?
    answer the question

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Anytime I can get people to post union crap I am happy. Makes me proud of the fact that I never belonged to any union and there is now doubt that I am financially better off today as a result. Unions have basically nothing invested in the company other than time and in fact have run businesses out of business by making them less profitable. Public unions are bankrupting the country and creating a dependent class. No question in my mind that is Obama's goal, create so much dependency that re-election is secure. Not a lot of difference between people dependent on the govt. than people dependent on the unions. Destroying incentive and keeping power is what both are about.
    Unions only seek what is fair and honorable. For example, how many CEOs and/or politicians at state and federal levels have claimed that their respective treasuries are broke and yet they still either gave themselves hefty bonuses or voted themselves pay raises within the last two years? While you ponder that, how many of those same high ranking officials have laid off their employees using the excuse that they had to do some cost-cutting?

    Granted, there certainly were some unions in the past who sought big salaries and hefty benefits packages for their union membership, but the days of big national labor unions are long gone. That's why conservatism's latest targets have been the EPA, DoEd, public employee unions and collective bargaining rights of public employees. Ironically, these are the some of the same fights from days of old going back as far as the 50's, 60's and 70's. You've just migrated from the private sector to the public sector in order to exact your greed.

    Conservatism says private companies should have the right to establish unions within their own doors. Corporate ownership says if a worker performs well even if part of a corporate union he/she will be paid well. From what I can tell, those of us who have followed that creed and did our jobs can't meet today's cost-of-living standards. The federal minimum wages just doesn't cut it in today's economy. But the irony here is if you listen to business owners you won't hear them complain that it's employee salaries and benefits that's the problem. It's high corporate taxes!!! So, which is it, man?

    Again, I remind you I didn't become a union member until recently. Nearly 10 years of faithful employment with high performance standards. FIVE YEARS without a pay raise. Yet, I know what many state governments have done over the years...relied heavily on municipal bond markets to carry their cashflow, but the bond markets began to tank. Who were the easiest targets to scapegoat? PUBLIC EMPLOYEES! Same hold true in the private sector - lay people off and blame unions instead of getting your corporate finances in order. Of course, some CEO's would see laying off employees as a true measure towards "cleaning up their books"...same as state governments. And yet they will also make the bold claim that "people are our best asset". Oh, really?

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