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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    yep, con, we are all just thugs obviously we are un-American for belonging to a union for daring to want a better life , for wanting to live the American dream, for having the belief that our labor is valuable never mind the fact that we have families, much like you, i'm sure, never mind that we pay taxes, much like you i'm sure, that we give to charity, again, as you have stated several times, much like you...how much easier life would be in this country if the labor force just all bent over and took it... just want you to know, i do find your uneducated, anti-union rants amusing. UAW AND PROUD OF IT.
    Good for you, to each their own, some people don't need thugs representing them to achieve the American dream. The problem with unions is that the value you believe your labor is worth isn't the same value that the market believes it is worth so you put businesses out of business. There is a reason union membership is dropping yet apparently you haven't figured it out yet. Maybe when your company goes out of business you will. Maybe you can help "Take those SOB's out!"

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Good for you, to each their own, some people don't need thugs representing them to achieve the American dream. The problem with unions is that the value you believe your labor is worth isn't the same value that the market believes it is worth so you put businesses out of business. There is a reason union membership is dropping yet apparently you haven't figured it out yet. Maybe when your company goes out of business you will. Maybe you can help "Take those SOB's out!"
    ah yes, more uneducated anti-union babble...keep it coming...UAW AND PROUD OF IT

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I thought of folks like Conservative yesterday. As part of my job with the Legislature in Michigan, I attended a presentation by Dr. Gordon Lafer of the University of Oregon Economics Department on right to work legislation and laws. He presented us with a very well researched booklet filled with statistics and facts on the subject which completely trashed, smashed, destroyed and flushed any possible argument for an economic case for right to work. When he was finished he took questions and one person asked the key question:

    Q: If the facts are so obvious and clear, why do the people pushing right to work continue to push it?
    The answer from Dr. Lafer was in two parts
    1) they simply hate unions as part of their ideology and political bent
    2) we live in a time when facts and statistics mean precious little compared to beliefs

    I wanted to bottle him up and take him right here since I have been saying much the same thing for a long time now.
    Guess that is why 88% of the work force doesn't belong to unions since they love them so much. Keep promoting that anti personal responsibility attitude which has helped put 25 million plus unemployed and under employed Americans on the street looking for full time jobs. Don't worry though, there will always be a govt. job waiting for you as long as politicians have someone else to fund them.

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I thought of folks like Conservative yesterday. As part of my job with the Legislature in Michigan, I attended a presentation by Dr. Gordon Lafer of the University of Oregon Economics Department on right to work legislation and laws. He presented us with a very well researched booklet filled with statistics and facts on the subject which completely trashed, smashed, destroyed and flushed any possible argument for an economic case for right to work. When he was finished he took questions and one person asked the key question:

    Q: If the facts are so obvious and clear, why do the people pushing right to work continue to push it?
    The answer from Dr. Lafer was in two parts
    1) they simply hate unions as part of their ideology and political bent
    2) we live in a time when facts and statistics mean precious little compared to beliefs

    I wanted to bottle him up and take him right here since I have been saying much the same thing for a long time now.
    BINGO!!! right to work=right to work for less pay, less benefits, less workplace protections, less health and safety requirements

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    So, you're to indict all hard working Americans in unions by the action of a few. Should we judge all conservatives are by the actions of a few lets see - Jack Abamoff or Scott Roeder? You should be ashamed of yourself, but probably aren't.
    I think many of you did, did you not? 2 or 3 people yelled "let him die" regarding a debate question about an uninsured person in a coma - it was characterized quite differently by many in the media and here.

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Guess that is why 88% of the work force doesn't belong to unions since they love them so much. Keep promoting that anti personal responsibility attitude which has helped put 25 million plus unemployed and under employed Americans on the street looking for full time jobs. Don't worry though, there will always be a govt. job waiting for you as long as politicians have someone else to fund them.
    That doesn't make him wrong. Nor does it make him anti responsibility. In fact, working together to negotiate with management is being responsibile.

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Guess that is why 88% of the work force doesn't belong to unions since they love them so much.
    Lets see your logic here

    Probably 88% of Americans do not eat sushi. So we can now conclude it does not taste good.

    Probably 88% - or more - of Americans do not own rapid fire assault style weaponry. So we can now conclude they are not necessary and ban them.

    Probably 88% - or more - or don't gamble in Vegas in any given year. So we can now close the city down as useless.

    Keep em coming Conservative.

    Dr. Lafer pointed out yesterday to us that states which fall in the alphabet from letters M through Z have a rate of economic growth over the last few decades that is SEVERAL TIMES the rate of growth from states that begin with the letters A through L. So if we want economic growth in those states, they should simply change their names to something from M to Z.

    Does that sound good to you Conservative?
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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lets see your logic here

    Probably 88% of Americans do not eat sushi. So we can now conclude it does not taste good.

    Probably 88% - or more - of Americans do not own rapid fire assault style weaponry. So we can now conclude they are not necessary and ban them.

    Probably 88% - or more - or don't gamble in Vegas in any given year. So we can now close the city down as useless.

    Keep em coming Conservative.

    Dr. Lafer pointed out yesterday to us that states which fall in the alphabet from letters M through Z have a rate of economic growth over the last few decades that is SEVERAL TIMES the rate of growth from states that begin with the letters A through L. So if we want economic growth in those states, they should simply change their names to something from M to Z.

    Does that sound good to you Conservative?
    Anytime I can get people to post union crap I am happy. Makes me proud of the fact that I never belonged to any union and there is now doubt that I am financially better off today as a result. Unions have basically nothing invested in the company other than time and in fact have run businesses out of business by making them less profitable. Public unions are bankrupting the country and creating a dependent class. No question in my mind that is Obama's goal, create so much dependency that re-election is secure. Not a lot of difference between people dependent on the govt. than people dependent on the unions. Destroying incentive and keeping power is what both are about.

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Anytime I can get people to post union crap I am happy. Makes me proud of the fact that I never belonged to any union and there is now doubt that I am financially better off today as a result. Unions have basically nothing invested in the company other than time and in fact have run businesses out of business by making them less profitable. Public unions are bankrupting the country and creating a dependent class. No question in my mind that is Obama's goal, create so much dependency that re-election is secure. Not a lot of difference between people dependent on the govt. than people dependent on the unions. Destroying incentive and keeping power is what both are about.
    Keep the uneducated anti-union bs coming....lol UAW AND PROUD OF IT

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    Re: Probe surrounding Wis. governor apparently growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I always believed that as well and did negotiate better wages due to my performance not my longevity. Found that I didn't need a union representing me and apparently about 88% of the country feels the same way today as that is the percentage of union employees in the labor force. From what I can see from your posts there is no question that union employees need someone else to protect them as they are incapable of doing it themselves. Love the union thugs out there though especially ones like Hoffa and of course the Long shoremen in the state of Washington. UAW, SEIU, Longshoremen, OCAW, etc all have thugs that use force when they don't get their way. Thugs are rampant in the union roles especially the UAW. If you aren't one, great, not sure you are in the majority, JMO.
    I'm gonna have to challenge you here, Conservative.

    I proudly served my country on active-duty in the Navy for nearly 16-years. When I left the Navy, I did so under Honorable conditions and had no blimishes on my service record. I came home, found a job in state-government and have proudly performed with high annual performance evaluations well within the "Exceed Standards" category. Now, here's where I should be upset...

    For over 5-years, state employees like myself in my department have continued to serve and uphold the public trust - same as our duly elected public officials are suppose to do - WITHOUT receiving a pay raise. FIVE YEARS!!!

    And until recently, I refused to join a union because I really didn't see the need. I use to think as you do that as long as I came to work on time, did my job and performed well I would be rewarded.

    FIVE YEARS, Conservative WITHOUT a pay raise and what thanks do we honorable public servants have to show for it? Being attacked by Republican officials who claim that we've unjustly receive higher pay, favorable health benefits packages and expensive retirement packages. Folks like you actually believe that people like me are undeserving of the pay and benefits we've EARNED!

    I do my job and I perform well. But until Republicans like Gov. Walker begin to lead this charge against public employee collective bargaining rights and forcing us out the door, I never felt the need to become part of any organized labor movement. So, before you start down that trail of "union employees need someone else to protect them as they are incapable of doing it themselves," you had better first try to understand what employers and state officials of some of these corporations and/or state governments are trying to do to union/public employees.

    It's unfair that I should have to fight to retain my job let alone my pay and benefits that were stated that I would recieve upon agreeing to being employed here only to have those benefits stiffled and my pay frozen while the economy is in shamebles all because of the wreckless spending/budgetary practises of those politicians who were here before me. You chant the better virtues of Conservatism and personal responsibility. Well, what about professional responsibility? Where's the fault with CEOs and politicians who have acted so irresponsibilty to cause this country such short-term irreperable harm? Why shouldn't union members be outraged because of their greed and purposeful excessiveness and the wealth such people have accumulated on the backs of our honorable performance yet the only thing we have to show for our participation in that "wealth accumulation" in the end turns out to be either the prospect a pink slip that comes out of nowhere or our cost-of-living being held in abeyance indefinitely? Mind you, when our supervisors are also feeling the economic pinch who else are we to turn to for help especially when the decisions that are being made are coming at the highest levels of government? It's not our department heads who are calling the shots; it's the so-called Conservative politicians!!!

    So, you tell me who exactly am I to complain to if not to my union rep? Because clearly where state-government is concerned you can't just go to your immediate supervisor or program Director about such matters seeking restitution when they themselves are also in the exact same fight.

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