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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

The next presedential election is not for 1 year and 2 months. Many exciting and game-changing things can heppen between now and then, including a sudden improvement in the economy, decrease in the unemployment rate, or the GOP candidate could say things soo ridiclously stupid as to make the election a cake-walk for Obama. I understand that the members of the anti-Obama cult fail to comprehend this, but these are the facts.

Obama is going to do whatever he can to buy votes through creating more dependence and thus greater debt from taxpayer money being spent. The fact is that the Obama record will be on the ballot in 2012 and it will be that record that will determine the results. I see nothing changing due to Obama's ideology and thus his unwillingness to compromise and efforts to continue his class warfare policies.

At what cost to the country are you willing to support four more years of Obama? Currently there are over 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans and we have a 14.6 trillion dollar debt. So think about it?
 
Obama is going to do whatever he can to buy votes through creating more dependence and thus greater debt from taxpayer money being spent. The fact is that the Obama record will be on the ballot in 2012 and it will be that record that will determine the results. I see nothing changing due to Obama's ideology and thus his unwillingness to compromise and efforts to continue his class warfare policies...

The GOP candidate will do whatever he can to buy more votes, by advocating for more tax cuts for the wealthy while cutting spending for the poor & middle class, who are loathed by the GOP.

How much more spending cuts on the poor & middle-class do you think they will accept, before they finally realize that the GOP is the enemy of the working man?

When will the members of the anti-Obama cult realize that simply hating Obama is not an intelligent campaign strategy?
 
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The GOP candidate will do whatever he can to buy more votes, by advocating for more tax cuts for the wealthy while cutting spending for the poor & middle class, who are loathed by the GOP.

How much more spending cuts on the poor & middle-class do you think they will accept, before they finally realize that the GOP is the enemy of the working man?

Right, tax cuts for the rich is nothing more than class warfare so that makes you a good Obama follower. Allowing people to keep more of their own money threatens liberalism and "your" President understands that. Instead of challenging how tax dollars are being spent you focus on how much tax dollars are going to the govt. Instead of holding politicians accountable for the 14.6 trillion dollar debt you have no problem sending them more money.

Keep buying the liberal rhetoric which promotes that class warfare instead of really identifying the problem. How many of those so called poor and middle class are actually brainwashied, brain dead, and clueless? Do we really need a 3.7 trillion dollar budget to help those truly in need?

You have certainly been brainwashed into believing the liberal rhetoric. 47% of those poor and middle class don't pay any FIT and the top 1% pay 38% of all FIT collected. What is the rich's fair share? Why aren't you holding politicians accountable for the waste, fraud, and abuse of tax dollars?
 
Thunder, as I have pointed out I don't expect true Obama supporters to acknowledge even what is common knowledge today. Obama's current approval ratings are at record lows for him and the results are there for all to see. It is hard for most people to ignore those results and the only ones that will are the Obama cult who refuse to admit that they were wrong.

Hochul won the conservative republican NY seat just five months ago -- when Obama's rating wasn't much worse than it is now. It was advertised as a referendum on the Ryan budget and Republicans' destroy-Medicare plan.
 
Hochul won the conservative republican NY seat just five months ago -- when Obama's rating wasn't much worse than it is now. It was advertised as a referendum on the Ryan budget and Republicans' destroy-Medicare plan.

New York's 26th congressional district special election, 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The district is traditionally a safe Republican seat, having been continuously represented by Republicans since Jack Kemp's election in 1970. Democrats had made serious, but unsuccessful, attempts to gain the seat with self-financed candidate Jack Davis in 2004 and 2006 as well as Alice Kryzan in 2008, but nominated only token opposition in 2010 when Philip Fedele ran.




Hmmm...looks like a Democrat won a seat in a traditionally GOP district, and was so for 40 years. Just another referendum on Obama, huh?

:)
 
NY 9 is an indication that the tide is turning and there is a reason that Obama, who won with 52% of the vote now has a 39% JAR losing 13% of that support. Hard to imagine a Democrat District for the past 90 years to all of a sudden ignore the Obama record and just vote for a Republican because of Weiner's resignation.
And who's gonna beat Obama? Right now, the front runner for the GOP is Perry, and polls show that Obama beats Perry. And if employment numbers continue the current trend, it's only going to get worse for Perry. You spent an entire thread railing against Obama because there were no jobs created last month according to payroll data (even though you never reference payroll data, ever) ... but last month Perry lost jobs in Texas according to payroll data.
 
And who's gonna beat Obama? Right now, the front runner for the GOP is Perry, and polls show that Obama beats Perry. And if employment numbers continue the current trend, it's only going to get worse for Perry. You spent an entire thread railing against Obama because there were no jobs created last month according to payroll data (even though you never reference payroll data, ever) ... but last month Perry lost jobs in Texas according to payroll data.
I'm not sure the unemployment situation will work that much against Obama. Many of those who remain unemployed became that way under Bush or shortly after Obama became president. Sure they may be disappointed at efforts to get employment up, but I don't see the majority voting for either Romney or Perry - two very flawed candidates. President Obama has much going for him and in fact said just the other day his chances of winning in 2012 are better than the were in 2008.
 
Obama is going to do whatever he can to buy votes

Both parties are just as dependent on buying votes -- they only differ in their constituency.

through creating more dependence and thus greater debt from taxpayer money being spent

Sort of like all that government money that goes out to defense contractors, farmers, bankers, and so on.

The fact is that the Obama record will be on the ballot in 2012 and it will be that record that will determine the results.

No, it's all about how he spins it, just like the Republican's primary opportunity to win is spinning his record in the opposite direction. They don't have a concrete plan for getting us out of this mess any more than the President does. Everybody in Washington is playing musical chairs -- they keep running around and around and around the core issues, and their only hope is that when the music stops, their ass will be in a seat. Their first concern isn't fixing anything.

At what cost to the country are you willing to support four more years of Obama? Currently there are over 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans and we have a 14.6 trillion dollar debt. So think about it?

Where's the Republican plan to get us out of this? Which of the field of Presidential candidates have presented any specifics?
 
I believe that Owens got 73K votes and the Conservative and Independent got 78k votes which means Owens didn't get the majority in that District. I also realize that election was in 2009 and not 2011. Guess those facts escaped you.

I'm sorry, are you arguing that "technically" the Democrat (and thus Obama) lost by ... adding together the votes of two candidates? :lol:
 
I'm not sure the unemployment situation will work that much against Obama. Many of those who remain unemployed became that way under Bush or shortly after Obama became president. Sure they may be disappointed at efforts to get employment up, but I don't see the majority voting for either Romney or Perry - two very flawed candidates. President Obama has much going for him and in fact said just the other day his chances of winning in 2012 are better than the were in 2008.

So what does Obama have going for him? Specifically? Nothing positive. Just look at the economy. If you still want to blame bush so be it. Obama has done zero to get the economy going. Think the stimulus bill created any jobs? According to reports jobs numbers are no better. Obama should resign. He is the worst president by far in US history. And Omaba's jobs bill will create jobs for union workers only. Not to worry, that piece of legislation isn't even getting sponsored by any dem law makers. That is truly comical. Even his own party is seperating it's self from his rediculious ideas.
 
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Why does no one hold the republican congressmen for gutting every piece of progressive legislation that could have improved things, and only seeming to propose or support bills that would prevent people from getting healthcare and lowering taxes for their own class? Even when democrats had the majority, and tried to act like adults and be bi-partisan (what a stupid idea that was... foolish dems for not acting like spoiled children throwing a tantrum), republicans still did nothing but work to sabotage their efforts. "Discredit Obama, no matter the cost to the country," has been the mantra from day one. Why not hold these power hungry maniacs responsible for the consequences of their actions?
 
Everything done by the Democrat and Republican power-players is all about getting the other guy -- either spinning what the other guy does into something it isn't (or at least wasn't meant to be), or achieving something while ****-blocking the other side so you can accuse them of sitting on their ass.
 
So what does Obama have going for him? Specifically? Nothing positive. Just look at the economy. If you still want to blame bush so be it. Obama has done zero to get the economy going. Think the stimulus bill created any jobs? According to reports jobs numbers are no better. Obama should resign. He is the worst president by far in US history. And Omaba's jobs bill will create jobs for union workers only. Not to worry, that piece of legislation isn't even getting sponsored by any dem law makers. That is truly comical. Even his own party is seperating it's self from his rediculious ideas.

  1. He is well liked by the populace.
  2. He's the incumbent.
  3. He has no scandals
  4. He didn't create the economy we are in today.
  5. The GOP does have an answer how to fix the economy.
  6. He got bin Laden
  7. The GOP has two piss poor candidates in either Romney or Perry.
That's all I can think of right now. Nothing is a sure thing, but it's looking pretty good for him right now.
 
You do realize, of course, that all the Republicans would have to do in order to have a fighting chance would be to offer the nation a Palin/Bachmann ticket. :D
 
You do realize, of course, that all the Republicans would have to do in order to have a fighting chance would be to offer the nation a Palin/Bachmann ticket. :D

Exactly. ....

edit: The biggest problem the Republicans have today is the Tea Party who are so far out of the mainstream....
 
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Not really.

They were doing things like throwing around the term "RINO" and voting out moderate Republicans long before the Tea Party movement began.

Embracing ideological purity and playing "gotcha" in the face of real-world considerations is a problem every major political organization is having right now.
 
He is the worst president by far in US history.

There's a complete lack of historical perspective if I've ever seen one. Ever hear of Andrew Johnson or James Buchanan? Look 'em up. Obama's got a LONG way to go get even close to those two.
 
Hochul won the conservative republican NY seat just five months ago -- when Obama's rating wasn't much worse than it is now. It was advertised as a referendum on the Ryan budget and Republicans' destroy-Medicare plan.

So still seeking justification for your vote? Obama's current JAR and approval of handling of the economy makes that hard to find. Keep looking rather than admitting that you were wrong and Obama duped you. The People of NY 9 got it, when will you?
 
New York's 26th congressional district special election, 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The district is traditionally a safe Republican seat, having been continuously represented by Republicans since Jack Kemp's election in 1970. Democrats had made serious, but unsuccessful, attempts to gain the seat with self-financed candidate Jack Davis in 2004 and 2006 as well as Alice Kryzan in 2008, but nominated only token opposition in 2010 when Philip Fedele ran.




Hmmm...looks like a Democrat won a seat in a traditionally GOP district, and was so for 40 years. Just another referendum on Obama, huh?

:)

Thanks for posting links that show you only read the headlines. Hochui got 52,713 votes and her opponents got 58,884 so again here is an other example of where the Tea Party and the Republicans divided the vote giving the election to an Obama Democrat. Unless I am wrong opponents of Obama won the District so how is that no a referendum against Obama?
 
So still seeking justification for your vote? Obama's current JAR and approval of handling of the economy makes that hard to find. Keep looking rather than admitting that you were wrong and Obama duped you. The People of NY 9 got it, when will you?

Right about the time you get that NY-9 wasn't about Obama.
 
I'm not sure the unemployment situation will work that much against Obama. Many of those who remain unemployed became that way under Bush or shortly after Obama became president. Sure they may be disappointed at efforts to get employment up, but I don't see the majority voting for either Romney or Perry - two very flawed candidates. President Obama has much going for him and in fact said just the other day his chances of winning in 2012 are better than the were in 2008.

It continues to amaze me the loyalty Obama supporters have to his failed economic agenda which to me shows that it really isn't about compassion on the part of liberals, it is all about changing this country towards a European socialist model that supporters don't believe will affect them. When they find out it will be too late. Typical liberal spin that now it won't be about unemployment and the economy which of course flies in the face of Obama JAR and the results in NY 9
 
TacticalEvilDan;1059804964]Both parties are just as dependent on buying votes -- they only differ in their constituency.

Right, Conservatives buy votes by allowing people to keep their own money whereas liberals redistribute money from the producers to the non producers.

Sort of like all that government money that goes out to defense contractors, farmers, bankers, and so on.

That is what I keep hearing except that Wall Street and the Bankers gave more to Obama in 2008 than to McCain.


No, it's all about how he spins it, just like the Republican's primary opportunity to win is spinning his record in the opposite direction. They don't have a concrete plan for getting us out of this mess any more than the
President does. Everybody in Washington is playing musical chairs -- they keep running around and around and around the core issues, and their only hope is that when the music stops, their ass will be in a seat. Their first concern isn't fixing anything.

The campaign hasn't even begun as there are too many Republican candidates and yet even with that number Obama isn't over 50% on the top tier candidates. People are paying attention to the Obama record and that is what will be on the ballot in 2012. NY 9 got it, wonder when the Obama supporters will get it?


Where's the Republican plan to get us out of this? Which of the field of Presidential candidates have presented any specifics?

It doesn't matter which one because one of them will be the candidate and one will beat Obama. they will run on his record and it is going to be the dirtiest race in U.S. History as those dependent on Obama and someone else will be fighting like hell to keep their gravy train going.
 
I'm sorry, are you arguing that "technically" the Democrat (and thus Obama) lost by ... adding together the votes of two candidates? :lol:

Are you telling me that the majority vote didn't go against the Obama candidate? You look at the bottomline and make the determination that this was a referendum for Obama when both the Republican and T.E.A. Party Candidate ran against him. The majority in the District voted against the Obama agenda and he only way Obama wins is with a third party candidate on the ballot. Happened in both NY 23 and NY 26.
 
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