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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

Conservative said:
I blamed Clinton supporters for their lies about the surplus and gave Clinton total credit for implementing an economic policy that gave total control of the Congress to the Republicans and then for signing GOP Budgets giving him less than he wanted.
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So during Bush's presidency, no one blamed the economy or the wars or anything of the sort of Clinton? Not at all? That's the question I asked. But nice dodge.

Hell, in that clip it shows Fox News blaming Clinton for the Gulf Oil Spill. As I said, same ****, different name.
 
Ikari said:
So during Bush's presidency, no one blamed the economy or the wars or anything of the sort of Clinton? Not at all? That's the question I asked. But nice dodge.

Hell, in that clip it shows Fox News blaming Clinton for the Gulf Oil Spill. As I said, same ****, different name.
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I don't recall nor would I support Bush or any Bush supporter blaming Clinton 2 1/2 years into the Bush term and the Bush actual results show there was no reason to blame Clinton as the economy was doing quite well. Bush took office with a 9.9 trillion GDP and left it at 14.4 trillion plus a AAA Credit rating.
 
Conservative said:
I don't recall nor would I support Bush or any Bush supporter blaming Clinton 2 1/2 years into the Bush term and the Bush actual results show there was no reason to blame Clinton as the economy was doing quite well. Bush took office with a 9.9 trillion GDP and left it at 14.4 trillion plus a AAA Credit rating.
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You don't recall? Seriously? OK, it's possible that you missed all the "blame Clinton" stuff. Or have forgotten about it. Watch the clip, it highlights some of it.
 
Ikari said:
You don't recall? Seriously? OK, it's possible that you missed all the "blame Clinton" stuff. Or have forgotten about it. Watch the clip, it highlights some of it.
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When were those video's made and by whom? How are they relevant today?
 
Conservative said:
When were those video's made and by whom? How are they relevant today?
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It's a clip from the Daily Show (as it says in the link name). You were sitting there bitching about how people blame Bush for bad things happening to Obama like it's the first time that it's ever happened. When in reality, it's par for the course as it was a heavily utilized excuse during the Bush Presidency.

In fact, this is what yous said

Conservative said:
Bush is out of office yet 2 1/2 years into the Obama years he is still responsible? That is what is wrong with liberals no concept of civics, no concept of leadership, and no concept of how our economy works.
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Bush is out for over 2 years and he's still "responsible"? This is the Blame Bush argument you're using. Because of this "Blame Bush" argument, you go on further to state that "That is what is wrong with liberals no concept of civics, no concept of leadership, and no concept of how economy works," Right? you said this. I'm merely showing that your side engaged IN THE SAME EXACT THING. So is that what is wrong with conservatives then? No concept of civics, no concept of leadership, and no concept of how our economy works? Or is this just another partisan argument aimed to belittle one side of the Republocrats while ignoring that your side does the same thing?

As I said, same **** different name. And you want me to believe there is significant difference between the two main parties? Ha! Peas in a pod.
 
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Ikari said:
So during Bush's Presidency, no one blamed the say economy or wars or anything of the sort on Clinton? Not at all? I mean, you were alive then, your experience and wisdom should be able to guide us all to the light of truth. But in case it doesn't, here's John Stewart.

[video]http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-29-2010/blame[/video]
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that was a waste of 8.50 minutes.Stewart is a comedian and has some good material but I cannot take him, sorry.
 
lpast said:
Seems Obama not strongly supporting israel has come back to haunt him....the orthodox jews which have a huge community in this district voted for the GOP.
This does not bode well for Obama...if the jews abandon him...they are some of his staunchest supporters and donors. I am ALL FOR total support of Israel.

Republican wins Democratic New York House seat - The Washington Post


Bob Turner, the winner, cast the election as a referendum on Obama’s stewardship of the economy and, in the state’s Ninth Congressional District, which has a large population of Orthodox Jewish voters, the president’s position on Israel.
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I think the GOP is grasping for straws if they think Tuesday's elections are foreboding for Obama. One seat was in Nevada which has never been held by a Democrat and another seat in New York which was long held by Democrats was lost after a Democrat resigned in humiliation. Meanwhile, also in New York were 6 other races for state assembley seats and Democrats swept all 6.

Make of that as you will.
 
Conservative said:
that was a waste of 8.50 minutes.Stewart is a comedian and has some good material but I cannot take him, sorry.
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So blow up the messenger to avoid the message? Nice. He clearly demonstrated the Blame Clinton arguments which perpetuated through the end of the Bush administration. You have no high moral ground here. You're bitching at the Democrats for doing the same exact thing the Republicans did when roles were reversed.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
I think the GOP is grasping for straws if they think Tuesday's elections are foreboding for Obama. One seat was in Nevada which has never been held by a Democrat and another seat in New York which was long held by Democrats was lost after a Democrat resigned in humiliation. Meanwhile, also in New York were 6 other races for state assembley seats and Democrats swept all 6.
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So you're saying that if we take a look at the bigger picture and take into account multiple elections, we do not see the rebuke against Obama and Democrats that people who took this one data point and exalted it were trying to make it seem? Interesting.
 
Ikari said:
So you're saying that if we take a look at the bigger picture and take into account multiple elections, we do not see the rebuke against Obama and Democrats that people who took this one data point and exalted it were trying to make it seem? Interesting.
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I honestly don't see how Republicans' winning 2 out of 8 elections indicates it's about Obama.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
I honestly don't see how Republicans' winning 2 out of 8 elections indicates it's about Obama.
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It doesn't say it at all. But it seems that data analysis is not something a lot of people understand so well.
 
Ikari said:
You don't recall? Seriously? OK, it's possible that you missed all the "blame Clinton" stuff. Or have forgotten about it. Watch the clip, it highlights some of it.
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It's really irrelevant whether they did or not. Everyone wants someone else to blame. I do not imagine that history will treat Bush II real well but the economy right now is Obama's.
 
Ikari said:
So during Bush's Presidency, no one blamed the say economy or wars or anything of the sort on Clinton? Not at all? I mean, you were alive then, your experience and wisdom should be able to guide us all to the light of truth. But in case it doesn't, here's John Stewart.

[video]http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-29-2010/blame[/video]
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Thanks for that link -- it was hysterical! :2wave:
 
1Perry said:
It's really irrelevant whether they did or not. Everyone wants someone else to blame. I do not imagine that history will treat Bush II real well but the economy right now is Obama's.
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And that's not what I'm really saying. My main point was those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 
Ikari said:
So during Bush's Presidency, no one blamed the say economy or wars or anything of the sort on Clinton? Not at all? I mean, you were alive then, your experience and wisdom should be able to guide us all to the light of truth. But in case it doesn't, here's John Stewart.

[video]http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-29-2010/blame[/video]
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As usual, Jon Stewart nails it. Thanks for the post.
 
Conservative said:
My logic is in the results, NY 9's last Republican was in 1923 and that is reality.
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and so were NY-23 and NY-26 Safe Republican districts so several years that turned Democrat. Seems to me that if there IS any referendum its an anti-incumbent referendum that doesn't speak well for the Republicans holding the house if in fact that is the referendum.
 
pbrauer said:
As usual, Jon Stewart nails it. Thanks for the post.
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LOL the guy does not even live in the district.... and he moustache makes him look like someone we know most Jews hate.. yea that is one hell of a candidate.....
 
pbrauer said:
As usual, Jon Stewart nails it. Thanks for the post.
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John Stewart is sadly the best political commentator we have. Sad because he's essentially a comedian, but conducts himself with a level of intellectual honesty and fairness not found in many other places.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
I think the GOP is grasping for straws if they think Tuesday's elections are foreboding for Obama. One seat was in Nevada which has never been held by a Democrat and another seat in New York which was long held by Democrats was lost after a Democrat resigned in humiliation. Meanwhile, also in New York were 6 other races for state assembley seats and Democrats swept all 6.

Make of that as you will.
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Nobody seems to want to acknowledge this post I made earlier:

pbrauer said:
The Jews of NY-9 are not typical. A much larger percentage than usual are Orthodox, a group that has been increasingly willing to vote Republican anyway, but which accounts for only about 10% of the Jewish community. Not only are they more strongly connected to Israel and to Israeli policies that many on the American left oppose, but they lack many of the views that keep the rest of the Jewish community so liberal.


Non-Orthodox Jews are driven in many ways by social issues and the group identities that go with them. The Jews of NY-9 support gay marriage by only a 45-43% margin, with an Orthodox rabbi being featured in robocalls sponsored by the National Organization for Marriage. Nationally, Jews overall support gay marriage by a 75-18% margin, a result Pew found to be more lopsided than any demographic except atheists.

» NY-9 Race May Be A Political Awakening In A Jewish Community – But Can These Conditions Be Duplicated? - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion
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pbrauer said:
As usual, Jon Stewart nails it. Thanks for the post.
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I must have missed where Stewart posted officials from the Bush Administration blaming Clinton because all I saw were Hannity, Barnes, Buchannan, McCain, and others but no Administration officials blaming Clinton so to claim he nailed it is total and complete BS. I could put together quite a video on leftwing nuts and their attacks on Bush and acceptance of the Obama rhetoric who by the way has talked constantly about inheriting a mess. Incredible! You have to do better than that, including explaining how NY 9 elected the first Republican in almost 90 years to the House. Liberalism sure creates cult followers.
 
pbrauer said:
Nobody seems to want to acknowledge this post I made earlier:
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So let me see if I have this right, the left here is claiming that this wasn't a referrendum on Obama but point out Obama's policies against Israel? Looks to me like you are making the case of exactly what it is, an anti Obama vote.
 
Conservative said:
that was a waste of 8.50 minutes.Stewart is a comedian and has some good material but I cannot take him, sorry.
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Uhmmm you are supposed to draw that back to Kevin Bacon.
 
Ikari said:
John Stewart is sadly the best political commentator we have. Sad because he's essentially a comedian, but conducts himself with a level of intellectual honesty and fairness not found in many other places.
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Intellectual honesty? Bush takes over the economy in January 2001 and we go into a recession in March. What economic policy did Bush have in place to put the economy into recession in less than 2 months? Then there was 9/11 which I believe the 9/11 Commission absolved Bush of responsibility and no one here can provide evidence that Bush could have done anything to prevent it. This was a total and complete dishonest presentation void of Bush Administration officials blaming Clinton but the Obama cult here jumps on anything to try and justify their support for the incompetent in the WH. NY 9 got it, when will you, Pb, and others?
 
Ikari said:
So during Bush's Presidency, no one blamed the say economy or wars or anything of the sort on Clinton? Not at all? I mean, you were alive then, your experience and wisdom should be able to guide us all to the light of truth. But in case it doesn't, here's John Stewart.

[video]http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-29-2010/blame[/video]
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Jon Stewart is a genius.

Seriously....the same people that want to absolve GWB from the economic mess he led this country into .....are the same ones that try to argue that 911 was Clinton's fault although it ocurred almost a year into GWB's presidency. LOL.....you gotta love the Bush apologists.
 
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