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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

Conservative said:
Your conscience will be clear but you don't understand the ramifications of your vote. The numbers just don't support a third party candidate and until you change the minds of the people from the grassroots you will continue to have a clear conscience as you watch your country being destroyed.
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No, I don't think YOU understand the ramifications of our vote. Appease us or lose, that's your choice.
 
Ikari said:
Your approach is to just insult me. I'm sorry, I have thought through this quite well. It is not "naive", that's just some stupid ass argument you have to try to dismiss claims without addressing them. Maybe you should be a politician. There is NO WAY to affect the system from the inside. It will only respond to OUTSIDE force. Third parties are that force. A third party does not have to win to be effective, it just needs to consistently steal votes predominately from one branch of the Republocrats. If it does that, it prevents that branch from winning and if that branch wishes to regain power it then must appease the third party voters to win them back. And THAT is how you servo the system. You may think third parties insignificant, but due to the nearly 50/50 split of votes for the Republocrats it amplifies the effect by allowing third parties to effectively interact with the system through the noise instead of pure vote number.

Your 65 years of age may say differently, but that doesn't mean you're right. Age doesn't mean you're right.
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With age comes experience, you will find that out as you grow older. Providing you with logic and common sense may be an insult to you but that isn't the intent.
 
Ikari said:
No, I don't think YOU understand the ramifications of our vote. Appease us or lose, that's your choice.
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What are you doing on a message board daily instead of getting out there and making a difference? Sounds like a political science class project
 
Conservative said:
Your conscience will be clear but you don't understand the ramifications of your vote. The numbers just don't support a third party candidate and until you change the minds of the people from the grassroots you will continue to have a clear conscience as you watch your country being destroyed.
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The country has been on a course to ruin at the helms of both Dem and Rep sorry.

The only reason there isn't a viable third party is people like you who are fooled into believing it can't happen. Many wonderful things have happened in this country despite people saying it would be impossible.

I choose to actually do something to change it rather than grease the track for a Dem or Rep. I didn't leave the two party system, the two party system left me and I will no longer support it.
 
Conservative said:
That is your opinion but the reality is mathematically a third party doesn't have a chance and the country will continue to elect people like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

Your approach is very naive and the result of youth, sorry. My 65 years of age says differently.
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It is also a reality that a third party on the right will harm the chances of the Republican Party to win elections. That seems to be your major reason for your stance.
 
TheNextEra said:
The country has been on a course to ruin at the helms of both Dem and Rep sorry.

The only reason there isn't a viable third party is people like you who are fooled into believing it can't happen. Many wonderful things have happened in this country despite people saying it would be impossible.

I choose to actually do something to change it rather than grease the track for a Dem or Rep. I didn't leave the two party system, the two party system left me and I will no longer support it.
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The reason I am happy is that I live in TX and have what you seem to want, freedom, prosperity, lower cost of living. My vote is irrelevant here because this is a very conservative state that has a lot going for it. Why would I want to change and the results show me to be right.
 
haymarket;1059798360]It is also a reality that a third party on the right will harm the chances of the Republican Party to win elections. That seems to be your major reason for your stance
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A third party is your only chance in 2012 to force another four years of Obama and his disastrous economy on us. Obama cannot win in a two person race based upon his results.
 
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haymarket said:
It is also a reality that a third party on the right will harm the chances of the Republican Party to win elections. That seems to be your major reason for your stance.
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The Green Party may also be running, which would hurt Obama. I still believe that Obama wins in 2012, but I may be wrong.
 
Conservative said:
The reason I am happy is that I live in TX and have what you seem to want, freedom, prosperity, lower cost of living. My vote is irrelevant here because this is a very conservative state that has a lot going for it. Why would I want to change and the results show me to be right.
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Oh spare me the drama, I have that where I live as well. And if you have all that in Texas then another 4 years of Obama won't hurt you either.

The problem is you don't really care about the country, you only care about you and what you can get. Ironic that tbe two parties also think like you and that's the real problem.

Another thing comes with age as well.....senility.
 
TheNextEra said:
Oh spare me the drama, I have that where I live as well. And if you have all that in Texas then another 4 years of Obama won't hurt you either.

The problem is you don't really care about the country, you only care about you and what you can get. Ironic that tbe two parties also think like you and that's the real problem.

Another thing comes with age as well.....senility.
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Four more years of Obama will lead to massive inflation that will hurt us all. With youth come arrogance. You are going to need a lot of luck in the future
 
Conservative said:
Four more years of Obama will lead to massive inflation that will hurt us all. With youth come arrogance. You are going to need a lot of luck in the future
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With a Rep or Obama in charge that is going to happen. Because neither side will stop spending. They both claim they will before an election but after elected they both spend like drunken sailors.

With old age comes senility and presumption.
 
Conservative said:
With age comes experience, you will find that out as you grow older. Providing you with logic and common sense may be an insult to you but that isn't the intent.
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You provided neither. You just called my stance "naive" and then ran away. With age comes senility too, so I'm not just going to take "I'm older, I know better" as proper argument.
 
Conservative said:
What are you doing on a message board daily instead of getting out there and making a difference? Sounds like a political science class project
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I participate often. As I have now repeatedly said. It's not my fault you can't understand the ramifications of your vote.
 
Conservative said:
A third party is your only chance in 2012 to force another four years of Obama and his disastrous economy on us. Obama cannot win in a two person race based upon his results.
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Well then you'd best try to put up a candidate which can reach out to the third party voters now shouldn't you?
 
Ikari said:
You provided neither. You just called my stance "naive" and then ran away. With age comes senility too, so I'm not just going to take "I'm older, I know better" as proper argument.
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Sounds a lot like a personal attack to me but like with every other personal attack I don't report it as I am big enough and mature enough to handle these attacks. I ran from nothing, you are indeed very naive and looking for that perfect world yet as I pointed out to you if you really wanted that personal world then get off the debate forum and go out and make it happen. It is much easier blaming someone else than doing something else.

I believe this is a political science project and not a serious attempt to make changes because what you post here isn't going to create the change you want. If you truly want change run for office and take your views to the electorate.
 
Conservative said:
Sounds a lot like a personal attack to me but like with every other personal attack I don't report it as I am big enough and mature enough to handle these attacks. I ran from nothing, you are indeed very naive and looking for that perfect world yet as I pointed out to you if you really wanted that personal world then get off the debate forum and go out and make it happen. It is much easier blaming someone else than doing something else.

I believe this is a political science project and not a serious attempt to make changes because what you post here isn't going to create the change you want. If you truly want change run for office and take your views to the electorate.
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It's not a personal attack, it's a statement of fact. "I'm older, I know better" is not proper argument, nor will I accept it as such. And your attacks calling me "naive" is just deflection. And you misrepresent my position as well saying I want the "perfect" solution. Try a little honesty please.

You can believe whatever you want, but I already have my PhD and am completely done with school; so I no longer have these sorts of projects.
 
Conservative said:
How is that Hope and Change message working out for you? NY 9 is an example of what will happen in 2012 and the results listed are going to assure that

Poverty In America: A Special Report
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Is the reason you ignored the following post is because it shows your punditry sucks, Con?:roll:

pbrauer said:
The Jews of NY-9 are not typical. A much larger percentage than usual are Orthodox, a group that has been increasingly willing to vote Republican anyway, but which accounts for only about 10% of the Jewish community. Not only are they more strongly connected to Israel and to Israeli policies that many on the American left oppose, but they lack many of the views that keep the rest of the Jewish community so liberal.


Non-Orthodox Jews are driven in many ways by social issues and the group identities that go with them. The Jews of NY-9 support gay marriage by only a 45-43% margin, with an Orthodox rabbi being featured in robocalls sponsored by the National Organization for Marriage. Nationally, Jews overall support gay marriage by a 75-18% margin, a result Pew found to be more lopsided than any demographic except atheists.

» NY-9 Race May Be A Political Awakening In A Jewish Community – But Can These Conditions Be Duplicated? - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion
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Ikari said:
Well then you'd best try to put up a candidate which can reach out to the third party voters now shouldn't you?
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I am very happy with the choices I have here in TX and happy how the state votes. What I continue to point out to you is the mathematics involved in a third party position today but you ignore that. Tell me how a third party candidate wins today? Your answer is to drop out, waste your vote, versus getting inside the party and making the changes you want. Guess it is easier being in a debate forum vs. actually getting physically involved.
 
pbrauer said:
Is the reason you ignored the following post is because it shows your punditry sucks, Con?:roll:
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He's older, he knows better. you're being naive.

Hahah
 
Conservative said:
I am very happy with the choices I have here in TX and happy how the state votes. What I continue to point out to you is the mathematics involved in a third party position today but you ignore that. Tell me how a third party candidate wins today? Your answer is to drop out, waste your vote, versus getting inside the party and making the changes you want. Guess it is easier being in a debate forum vs. actually getting physically involved.
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I didn't ignore it, in fact I addressed it fully. And AGAIN, I do get involved in many election cycles at the local and state level. If you want to be taken seriously, stop being intellectually dishonest.
 
Conservative said:
Right, Disney, 2 1/2 years later and after having 4 years of Democrat Control of the Legislative Process and purse strings, Liberals still blame the problems on Bush. That is another example of people who don't understand leadership skills and responsibilities. This is the Obama economy and that is a fact. The results today are Obama's and the results when he took office were just as much the Congress under Democrat control as it was Bush's but liberals who are brainwashed don't seem to accept that fact.
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LOL Con....its always funny to see you run from your failed hero's record. GWB is absolutely responsible for bankrupting this country. Obama is absolutely responsible for not being successful in rebuilding the economy. I fault Obama and congress for that....you, on the otherhand continue to think that GWB was a genius....how telling.
 
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