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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

You don't see the significance of this defeat? Not surprising that you would spin it like Schultz basically trying to divert from reality.

Significant? Of Course it is. The debatable part is what does the significance means.

I don't think it is anti-Obama as much as it is anti-incumbent although neither can be proven to be the sole cause and can only be assumed.

Either way it is significant and will be interesting how it all plays out in the long run.
 
Significant? Of Course it is. The debatable part is what does the significance means.

I don't think it is anti-Obama as much as it is anti-incumbent although neither can be proven to be the sole cause and can only be assumed.

Either way it is significant and will be interesting how it all plays out in the long run.

I believe it's about punishing the Democrats for Anthony Weiner. In addition, there is a lot of frustration towards Obama, and that is also a factor. Face it - Obama promised to lead, and he didn't.
 
Significant? Of Course it is. The debatable part is what does the significance means.

I don't think it is anti-Obama as much as it is anti-incumbent although neither can be proven to be the sole cause and can only be assumed.

Either way it is significant and will be interesting how it all plays out in the long run.

That seems to be what Obama supporters want to believe. Wonder what is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty in the face of actual results that destroy credibility?
 
I believe it's about punishing the Democrats for Anthony Weiner. In addition, there is a lot of frustration towards Obama, and that is also a factor. Face it - Obama promised to lead, and he didn't.

Liberals need to face the fact that the Obama resume showed zero leadership or executive skills thus we are getting exactly what that resume showed. He is a community agitator and that is all he knows how to do. All that campaign rhetoric is now being compared to the results generated and the disconnect is huge thus elections like NY 9
 
I don't think it is anti-Obama as much as it is anti-incumbent although neither can be proven to be the sole cause and can only be assumed.

Yeah, I already brought up exactly this point. They're not going to buy it.
 
I believe it's about punishing the Democrats for Anthony Weiner. In addition, there is a lot of frustration towards Obama, and that is also a factor. Face it - Obama promised to lead, and he didn't.

He certainly ****ed up. But so did Congress on the whole and not just the Democrats. We'll see if this is an "anti-Obama" thing or an anti-incumbent thing. Regardless, there's a lot of frustration and someone is going to get hit. I just hope we get all of them.
 
That seems to be what Obama supporters want to believe. Wonder what is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty in the face of actual results that destroy credibility?

I don't know if it's that or an ability to use logic and understand data. But believe as you like, no skin off my teeth.
 
That seems to be what Obama supporters want to believe. Wonder what is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty in the face of actual results that destroy credibility?

How am I destroying credibility by saying we can't prove either of our interpretations as absolutely true? I think you are the one losing credibility when you say absolutely it was because of Obama.

Your foaming at the mouth hatred for Obama blinds you from seeing any other interpretations. You are now blaming Obama for practically everything. I do hope you seek help for your ODS.
 
Liberals need to face the fact that the Obama resume showed zero leadership or executive skills thus we are getting exactly what that resume showed. He is a community agitator and that is all he knows how to do. All that campaign rhetoric is now being compared to the results generated and the disconnect is huge thus elections like NY 9
Conservative need to face the fact that President Obama will likely win re-election. They also need to realize the fact that in either Romney or Perry they have two very flawed candidates for President. Plan on Obama leaving office Jan 20, 2017.
 
How am I destroying credibility by saying we can't prove either of our interpretations as absolutely true? I think you are the one losing credibility when you say absolutely it was because of Obama.

Your foaming at the mouth hatred for Obama blinds you from seeing any other interpretations. You are now blaming Obama for practically everything. I do hope you seek help for your ODS.

Save your breath, I barked up that tree already. They don't see it. They won't see it. You'll find more success in using Taco Bell to treat indigestion/diarrhea than trying to explain data analysis.
 
I believe it's about punishing the Democrats for Anthony Weiner. In addition, there is a lot of frustration towards Obama, and that is also a factor. Face it - Obama promised to lead, and he didn't.

There's no doubt that some voted out of their frustration over Obama, I just don't think the majority did.

I think people are getting sick of incumbents both Dem and rep and not just Obama.
 
How am I destroying credibility by saying we can't prove either of our interpretations as absolutely true? I think you are the one losing credibility when you say absolutely it was because of Obama.

Your foaming at the mouth hatred for Obama blinds you from seeing any other interpretations. You are now blaming Obama for practically everything. I do hope you seek help for your ODS.

You miss the point, I have no such hatred for Obama, seems like a good guy personally and a good family man, but in way over his head regarding the position he holds. I prefer to believe that because I don't want to accept the fact that he would be doing this on purpose.

For almost 90 years this District voted Democrat and in fact in 2010 during the Republican landslide this District remained Democrat. Now with the economic results we have today this District went Republican for the first time in almost 90 years? think about it and no matter how you want to spin it, the economy of the United States is a disaster today because of Barack Obama and his attempt at change which is contrary to the foundation upon which this country was built.

Seems that with the JAR today for Obama that I am not the only one blaming Obama for the economic results. he has been in office over 2 1/2 years and you will be asked are you better off today than you were in January 2009? With more unemployed, fewer in the labor force, fewer jobs, greater debt, higher misery index the answer by most is going to be NO and that violates what obama promised.
 
Conservative need to face the fact that President Obama will likely win re-election. They also need to realize the fact that in either Romney or Perry they have two very flawed candidates for President. Plan on Obama leaving office Jan 20, 2017.

You voted for Obama who lacked the experience or the skills for the job so I wouldn't be talking about flawed candidates. The people are waking up to the mistake they made in 2008 and liberals like you just cannot see it. 2012 will be 2010 all over again this time in a Presidential election. Are you better off today than you were in January 2009? Most according to the polls say no but that they are worse off
 
The Jews of NY-9 are not typical. A much larger percentage than usual are Orthodox, a group that has been increasingly willing to vote Republican anyway, but which accounts for only about 10% of the Jewish community. Not only are they more strongly connected to Israel and to Israeli policies that many on the American left oppose, but they lack many of the views that keep the rest of the Jewish community so liberal.


Non-Orthodox Jews are driven in many ways by social issues and the group identities that go with them. The Jews of NY-9 support gay marriage by only a 45-43% margin, with an Orthodox rabbi being featured in robocalls sponsored by the National Organization for Marriage. Nationally, Jews overall support gay marriage by a 75-18% margin, a result Pew found to be more lopsided than any demographic except atheists.

» NY-9 Race May Be A Political Awakening In A Jewish Community – But Can These Conditions Be Duplicated? - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion
 
You voted for Obama who lacked the experience or the skills for the job so I wouldn't be talking about flawed candidates. The people are waking up to the mistake they made in 2008 and liberals like you just cannot see it. 2012 will be 2010 all over again this time in a Presidential election. Are you better off today than you were in January 2009? Most according to the polls say no but that they are worse off

LOL...says the man who STILL hasn't woken up to the disaster of the previous administration. Sorry Con....but it sort of rings hollow coming from a man who thinks that GWB was an economic genius.
 
You voted for Obama who lacked the experience or the skills for the job so I wouldn't be talking about flawed candidates. The people are waking up to the mistake they made in 2008 and liberals like you just cannot see it. 2012 will be 2010 all over again this time in a Presidential election. Are you better off today than you were in January 2009? Most according to the polls say no but that they are worse off

BTW Con.....how well do you think that is going to hold for the Republican congress that ran on "Jobs Jobs Jobs" and has done nothing since regaining the house to address the economy?
 
You miss the point, I have no such hatred for Obama, seems like a good guy personally and a good family man, but in way over his head regarding the position he holds. I prefer to believe that because I don't want to accept the fact that he would be doing this on purpose.

For almost 90 years this District voted Democrat and in fact in 2010 during the Republican landslide this District remained Democrat. Now with the economic results we have today this District went Republican for the first time in almost 90 years? think about it and no matter how you want to spin it, the economy of the United States is a disaster today because of Barack Obama and his attempt at change which is contrary to the foundation upon which this country was built.

Seems that with the JAR today for Obama that I am not the only one blaming Obama for the economic results. he has been in office over 2 1/2 years and you will be asked are you better off today than you were in January 2009? With more unemployed, fewer in the labor force, fewer jobs, greater debt, higher misery index the answer by most is going to be NO and that violates what obama promised.

None of what you just posted negates what I said about neither of us can prove that our interpretations are 100% correct like you think yours is.

I can easy point out that people are tired of govt spending from both the Dems and Reps.

There is not only ONE factor involved. You are thinking in absolutes when it isn't Black and White. The only reason we don't have viable third party candidates is because people like you refuse to change and realize there are more than just two options.

The worst thing to ever happen to this country is the two party system and only the people are to blame.
 
LOL...says the man who STILL hasn't woken up to the disaster of the previous administration. Sorry Con....but it sort of rings hollow coming from a man who thinks that GWB was an economic genius.

Right, Disney, 2 1/2 years later and after having 4 years of Democrat Control of the Legislative Process and purse strings, Liberals still blame the problems on Bush. That is another example of people who don't understand leadership skills and responsibilities. This is the Obama economy and that is a fact. The results today are Obama's and the results when he took office were just as much the Congress under Democrat control as it was Bush's but liberals who are brainwashed don't seem to accept that fact.
 
None of what you just posted negates what I said about neither of us can prove that our interpretations are 100% correct like you think yours is.

I can easy point out that people are tired of govt spending from both the Dems and Reps.

There is not only ONE factor involved. You are thinking in absolutes when it isn't Black and White. The only reason we don't have viable third party candidates is because people like you refuse to change and realize there are more than just two options.

The worst thing to ever happen to this country is the two party system and only the people are to blame.

It is what it is, the two party system. If you want to change it then do it from the grass roots not the top down. It is easy to blame the two party system that we have today but until you change it, all third party supporters are doing is whining.
 
It is what it is, the two party system. If you want to change it then do it from the grass roots not the top down. It is easy to blame the two party system that we have today but until you change it, all third party supporters are doing is whining.

No, we also vote for our best alternative candidate. Remember when you said that? I'm sorry that the Republocrats have not fielded that best alternative candidate. So I guess we'll continue with our "spoiler" votes and you can continue to lose until you put up someone better.

Just don't sit there and think that you're actually changing the status quo by supporting the status quo. That's just silly.
 
It is what it is, the two party system. If you want to change it then do it from the grass roots not the top down. It is easy to blame the two party system that we have today but until you change it, all third party supporters are doing is whining.

At least I'll be trying unlike all the lazy asses stuck in the two party mentality.

My conscious will be clean in who I vote for. If the two party lemmings want to drive this country into the ground, they will do so without my support or cooperation.
 
If the two party lemmings want to drive this country into the ground, they will do so without my support or cooperation.

I'd at least offer them some lead.
 
No, we also vote for our best alternative candidate. Remember when you said that? I'm sorry that the Republocrats have not fielded that best alternative candidate. So I guess we'll continue with our "spoiler" votes and you can continue to lose until you put up someone better.

Just don't sit there and think that you're actually changing the status quo by supporting the status quo. That's just silly.

That is your opinion but the reality is mathematically a third party doesn't have a chance and the country will continue to elect people like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

Your approach is very naive and the result of youth, sorry. My 65 years of age says differently.
 
At least I'll be trying unlike all the lazy asses stuck in the two party mentality.

My conscious will be clean in who I vote for. If the two party lemmings want to drive this country into the ground, they will do so without my support or cooperation.

Your conscience will be clear but you don't understand the ramifications of your vote. The numbers just don't support a third party candidate and until you change the minds of the people from the grassroots you will continue to have a clear conscience as you watch your country being destroyed.
 
That is your opinion but the reality is mathematically a third party doesn't have a chance and the country will continue to elect people like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

Your approach is very naive and the result of youth, sorry. My 65 years of age says differently.

Your approach is to just insult me. I'm sorry, I have thought through this quite well. It is not "naive", that's just some stupid ass argument you have to try to dismiss claims without addressing them. Maybe you should be a politician. There is NO WAY to affect the system from the inside. It will only respond to OUTSIDE force. Third parties are that force. A third party does not have to win to be effective, it just needs to consistently steal votes predominately from one branch of the Republocrats. If it does that, it prevents that branch from winning and if that branch wishes to regain power it then must appease the third party voters to win them back. And THAT is how you servo the system. You may think third parties insignificant, but due to the nearly 50/50 split of votes for the Republocrats it amplifies the effect by allowing third parties to effectively interact with the system through the noise instead of pure vote number.

Your 65 years of age may say differently, but that doesn't mean you're right. Age doesn't mean you're right.
 
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