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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

LesGovt said:
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

You can be so funny. Why don't you come over to the GOP and bring forth the best candidate. Oh, you cannot do that. You are only one vote and you don't get to say that this person will be running when he or she doesn't want to run, and you do not get to say that Person A is the one who will win the primary since your one vote is one vote. You need to stop these arguments that go from the ridiculous to the sublime. Your choice. Your vote. Your ObamaCare. Live with it.
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I was once a part of the GOP. They went a big government, big spending, big deficit, big war direction I could not follow. You left me behind, I was forced to look elsewhere for my best candidate. Return to it, and I'll return my votes to it. Till then, enjoy your Obama Care.
 
Ikari said:
Interesting indeed. So you'd be up for more "free market" style political competition? You're not scared, right?
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Not at all but that isn't what we have. If you want to change the system, you work from the grassroots up, not the top down.
 
Ikari said:
I was once a part of the GOP. They went a big government, big spending, big deficit, big war direction I could not follow. You left me behind, I was forced to look elsewhere for my best candidate. Return to it, and I'll return my votes to it. Till then, enjoy your Obama Care.
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Enjoy "your" Obamacare? What healthcare are you going to have?
 
Conservative said:
Then you have to accept the consequences of your actions which gave us Barack Obama. Interesting how ideologues are out of touch with reality. Although honorable that is a very naive approach to the election process. You would be better served working from within a party than from the outside. what clout do you have not voting for one of the major candidates?
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I didn't vote for him though, I bear no responsibility to the numbers of votes he received. Understand the consequences of YOUR actions which forced me to leave the GOP. I do work inside a party, that party is the Libertarian Party.
 
Conservative said:
Not at all but that isn't what we have. If you want to change the system, you work from the grassroots up, not the top down.
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True, not what we have in the least. The rules are in fact set up to purposefully keep out proper political competition. And I do. I put in a lot of time and effort to local libertarian candidates, including volunteer work and campaigning. But that doesn't mean I'm going to vote for a candidate I can't endorse on the national level either.
 
LesGovt said:
If asking questions is how you answer questions, I shall take the same tactic: What has Obama done about immigration? Who has management authority for ICE? The Senate or the President?

You and Ikari are grasping at straws in an attempt to deflect the argument away from your votes that helped to cause "ObamaCare." Sorry, that won't work.
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Obamacare is a debacle, but on my scale of givea****-o-meter it rates about a three. You cant blame health care that hasnt even kicked in for consistently high unemployment, for illegal immigration, and for a 15.5 trillion dollar debt. You keep citing Obamacare like a broken record as if Oh...THATS what ****ed the country up. Hell...Id blame dem and rep politicians for all the problems if they were lying about who and what they are. I dont blame them any more. I blame the blind ideologues that go into the polling booth and keep sending them back. And any time I see an ideologue from either the dem or rep side blaming ANYTHING on Libertarians I laugh. Its the ethical equivalent of blaming the Tea Party folks for all the country's problems when in fact it is the dems and reps that have driven the country over a cliff. Your sniffer is off. You are barking up a palm tree looking for possums. You are makin lots of noise...but you aint gonna find them.
 
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pbrauer said:
I didn't follow the campaign, I understand Weprin was a piss poor candidate. He was asked what the national debt was on TV and his answer was $4 trillion. Politics are local and I don't see where this affects Obama who likely will win reelection.
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I'll tell you the second time - because the Republican structured his campaign as an Obama referendum against. It doesn't affect Obama - it's reflects the publics mood of Obama.
 
VanceMack said:
I blame the blind ideologues that go into the polling booth and keep sending them back.
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Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

VanceMack said:
And any time I see an ideologue from either the dem or rep side blaming ANYTHING on Libertarians I laugh. Its the ethical equivalent of blaming the Tea Party folks for all the country's problems when in fact it is the dems and reps that have driven the country over a cliff. Your sniffer is off. You are barking up a palm tree looking for possums. You are makin lots of noise...but you aint gonna find them.
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And the truth shall set you free. It's my fault we have Obama Care, not the decades of Republocrat rule. Nope, it's certainly due to party endorsement for a party that hasn't been elected on the nation scale. All our fault.
 
Conservative said:
Ikari said:
I guess you should have brought forth a better candidate that could have appeased Vance and me. Then we wouldn't have Obama Care. Guess you ****ed up.[/QUOTEe]

Elections are about choices not the perfect candidate. You didn't run so therefore you didn't have that perfect candidate. You are left with voting for the best alternative. I didn't like McCain but rather than sit on the sidelines and complain about the end result I voted for McCain to keep Obama out of the WH. Problem is I live in TX and my vote didn't matter as he lost the state by over a million votes. Those looking for the perfect candidate were countered by a majority that elected Obama. Thanks for your principles, we are in the mess we are today because of those principles.
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I dont need a perfect candidate and i dont expect a president to be a king. I would vote Bill Clinton again tomorrow. His personal life is irrelevant to me. He was savvy and knew how tk work with both houses in congress and both parties. I dont want a king but I do want a leader. Im not impressed with any of the republican options. Huntsman is probably the closest to a sane choice that is out there. I suspect we will get Perry and some sort of cute fluffy bunny as a veep option to run against Obama and his clown. Which is why I will most likely vote for Wayne Root.
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Ockham said:
I'll tell you the second time - because the Republican structured his campaign as an Obama referendum against. It doesn't affect Obama - it's reflects the publics mood of Obama.
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I think you mean the Republicans smeared him.

Turner has thrown plenty of ugly punches at Weprin to do so, however, running a TV ad criticizing his support for a Muslim group’s right to build a community center near Ground Zero. Turner’s also aggressively courted Jewish voters by accusing the White House of selling out Israel, a particularly galling attack given that Weprin is a practicing Orthodox Jew and has condemned Obama’s approach to the Middle East on similar grounds. Turner scored an endorsement from former Democratic mayor Ed Koch, who cited Israel as the primary factor behind his support.
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David Weprin Gaffes | Anthony Weiner's Seat | TPM | Mediaite
 
Conservative said:
Weiner wasn't on the ballot nor was his weiner. This is a Democrat District
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Exactly. It's anger about Weiner and the fact that the Democratic candidate was utterly useless. I believe he's also Jewish running in a heavily jewish area.

the first Republican to win that District since 1920
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It's highly unlikely that this district has remained with the same borders for 91 years. Pure breathless rhetoric.
 
Ikari said:
I didn't vote for him though, I bear no responsibility to the numbers of votes he received. Understand the consequences of YOUR actions which forced me to leave the GOP. I do work inside a party, that party is the Libertarian Party.
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Isn't it great to be part of a party with zero power and the inability to enact anything? As I stated you are very naive when it comes to government and how it works. It may make you feel good but it makes you basically irrelevant. Like it or not we have two major parties. If you want to change that you work from the grassroots up not the top down. Democrats are going to control 40% of the voters so you have 60% to work with and when you apply the number that will vote for a Republican you leave yourself with about 30% and that isn't enough to win national elections. You need to peel off some of those Democrats first and then some Republicans. Until that happens you have basically nothing.
 
pbrauer said:
I think you mean the Republicans smeared him.




David Weprin Gaffes | Anthony Weiner's Seat | TPM | Mediaite
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Keep spinning, this is a District that hasn't voted for a Republican since 1923 so now all you can do is blame the Democrat and not your parties policies. Your party brought out Ryancare and lost. Your party brought out Bill Clinton and lost. Your Party has adopted a party that doesn't support Israel and you lost. You can complain about the candidate but all that does is ignore the issues which you do all the time.
 
rocket88 said:
Exactly. It's anger about Weiner and the fact that the Democratic candidate was utterly useless. I believe he's also Jewish running in a heavily jewish area.



It's highly unlikely that this district has remained with the same borders for 91 years. Pure breathless rhetoric.
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Here are the results for the past 30 years, regardless of the borders the Democrat Party lost for the first time in almost 90 years and Weiner beat Turner in 2010 during the Republican tidal wave. No matter how you spin it this is a Democrat disaster and bodes poorly for the future as it should. It is time to focus on the Obama rhetoric not the Obama rhetoric.

1980: Geraldine Ferraro wins over Republican opposition by 65% to 35%.
1982: Geraldine Ferraro wins over Republican opposition 79% to 21%.
1984: Thomas Manton wins over Republican opposition 57% to 43%.
1986: Thomas Manton wins over Republican opposition 74% to 26%.
1988: Thomas Manton wins with no Republican opposition, 100% to 0%.
1990: Thomas Manton wins over Republican opposition 72.5% to 27.5%.
1992: Chuck Schumer wins with no Republican opposition, 100% to 0%
1994: Chuck Schumer wins over Republican opposition 75% to 25%.
1996: Chuck Schumer wins over Republican opposition 79% to 21%.
1998: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition 73% to 27%.
2000: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition 70% to 30%.
2002: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition 67% to 33%.
2004: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition 73% to 27%.
2006: Anthony Weiner wins with no Republican opposition, 100% to 0%.
2008: Anthony Weiner wins with no Republican opposition, 100% to 0%.
2010: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition (Bob Turner, btw), 64% to 36%.

From 1980 to 2010, inclusive, the average Democrat received 78% of the vote vs. 22% for the Republican.
 
Conservative said:
Isn't it great to be part of a party with zero power and the inability to enact anything?
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Not really. You have to fight for every scrap you can get. But it's a fight that's worthwhile. I can't support the Republocrat offerings, those are not my best alternative.

Conservative said:
As I stated you are very naive when it comes to government and how it works.
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It's rather presumptuous of you to claim you know what I know. I've participated in politics on some level since high school. In fact, used to be quite the Republican supporter. They changed their ideology and it no longer matches mine. Why should I support an ideology that I don't agree with?

Conservative said:
It may make you feel good but it makes you basically irrelevant. Like it or not we have two major parties.
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Yes we do have two major parties. Additionally, the way by which we conduct our elections is stable with 2 major parties; so it's likely we will always have 2 major parties and a handful of smaller third parties. It doesn't mean, however, that those two main parties must always remain the same main parties. They can be switched out. But to cause that instability and eventual switching, you have to support third parties and use those as a "control" over the main parties.

Conservative said:
If you want to change that you work from the grassroots up not the top down.
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And as I said, I do.
 
Conservative said:
Isn't it great to be part of a party with zero power and the inability to enact anything? As I stated you are very naive when it comes to government and how it works. It may make you feel good but it makes you basically irrelevant. Like it or not we have two major parties. If you want to change that you work from the grassroots up not the top down. Democrats are going to control 40% of the voters so you have 60% to work with and when you apply the number that will vote for a Republican you leave yourself with about 30% and that isn't enough to win national elections. You need to peel off some of those Democrats first and then some Republicans. Until that happens you have basically nothing.
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it kinda is great knowing you are doing all you can within your realm. Ive equated being a libertarian to peeing your pants in a dark suit...its warm and wet for a while...no one really notices...and at after a while you feel cold, wet, and sticky. But really...is that worse than supporting either major party? They pick you up at midnight for a booty call at election time. They tell you they love you and care about you to get what they want from you. They screw you in the back seat then kick you to the curb. Yep...THATS better...
 
Conservative said:
No matter how you spin it this is a Democrat disaster and bodes poorly for the future as it should. It is time to focus on the Obama rhetoric not the Obama rhetoric.
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Keep spinning. Every time you guys flip a seat, it means that "the whole country is going to start voting Republican." It's one seat in a special election, and like you said, this guy ran a year ago and lost. Everybody already knew his name.

It was about Weiner just like Jimmy Carter was about Nixon, and Bush (to some extent) was about Clinton, and Obama was about Bush. None of them had to actually run against the guy they beat.
 
VanceMack said:
it kinda is great knowing you are doing all you can within your realm. Ive equated being a libertarian to peeing your pants in a dark suit...its warm and wet for a while...no one really notices...and at after a while you feel cold, wet, and sticky. But really...is that worse than supporting either major party? They pick you up at midnight for a booty call at election time. They tell you they love you and care about you to get what they want from you. They screw you in the back seat then kick you to the curb. Yep...THATS better...
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To a degree, but it's also where you can find the most control if you aggregate it properly. Election cycles essentially come down to a 50/50 split and noise. The noise is the determinate factor in winning elections; the split is constant. Affect the noise, affect the outcome. You can force parties one way or another by not voting for them and voting third party instead. You can essentially make it so that one party cannot win, and if they want to regain their power then they have to change in order to recapture the lost votes. On some level the childish "it's your fault we have Obama Care" arguments are born from that dynamic. But it's not my fault we have it, change the candidates to recapture my vote and you can win again. Don't, and deal with the consequences.

It's funny on one hand you have one part of the major parties saying you can have no effect on the system and you're wasting your vote and whatever other arguments they want to come up with to marginalize the independent/third party votes. On the other hand, you have another part of that major party system telling us that we caused Obama to win. So what is it? Can we have no effect or did we cause Obama to win? If it's truly the later, and you don't want Obama to win, then you have to produce a candidate which can recapture the lost votes.
 
VanceMack said:
Obamacare is a debacle, but on my scale of givea****-o-meter it rates about a three. You cant blame health care that hasnt even kicked in for consistently high unemployment, for illegal immigration, and for a 15.5 trillion dollar debt. You keep citing Obamacare like a broken record as if Oh...THATS what ****ed the country up. Hell...Id blame dem and rep politicians for all the problems if they were lying about who and what they are. I dont blame them any more. I blame the blind ideologues that go into the polling booth and keep sending them back. And any time I see an ideologue from either the dem or rep side blaming ANYTHING on Libertarians I laugh. Its the ethical equivalent of blaming the Tea Party folks for all the country's problems when in fact it is the dems and reps that have driven the country over a cliff. Your sniffer is off. You are barking up a palm tree looking for possums. You are makin lots of noise...but you aint gonna find them.
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I see that you are very proud of your vote that helped ObamaCare become a reality. Okay.
 
rocket88 said:
Keep spinning. Every time you guys flip a seat, it means that "the whole country is going to start voting Republican." It's one seat in a special election, and like you said, this guy ran a year ago and lost. Everybody already knew his name.

It was about Weiner just like Jimmy Carter was about Nixon, and Bush (to some extent) was about Clinton, and Obama was about Bush. None of them had to actually run against the guy they beat.
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How many seats have you flipped since 2008? If you believe what you say, carry on, you are doing a great job as your attitude should lead to a filibuster proof Senate for the Republicans in 2012 along with the WH.
 
LesGovt said:
I see that you are very proud of your vote that helped ObamaCare become a reality. Okay.
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Yep...and you are presenting yourself with the same credibility and viability as any other single issue voter. I hope at the very least you are a tea party supporter
 
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