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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Again, deflection without addressing the point. If you want to debate, fine; debate. But you're deflecting, which is just weaksauce.
    Debate what? I have seen you refute nothing that I posted but instead try to divert. This post is about the election in NY 9 and you want to divert to Iraq or anyplace else. That speaks volumes.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It boggles my mind why anyone votes for mainstream republicans. They don't actually follow their party's platform at all.
    The Republicans are just the otherside of the same coin as the Democrats. All they're doing is playing us all for chumps and laughing all the way to the bank.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    NY 9 is largely a referendum about one issue, Israel. If this special election means anything, it means that Obama will have to be very concerned about Florida ( Southeast to be specific). New York won't be in play, but Florida surely is.

    Let's remember that this is a constituency that has been democratic since FDR. It votes about 70% democratic. Also there is the question of what big donors will do. Think past NY9 and look at the larger ramifications.
    I don't disagree but any District that is 4-1 for one party or the other that votes 54-46 for the other party should send shockwaves through the party that lost. Too much emphasis is placed on lobbyists and big donors when individuals vote their conscience. No Lobbyist ever pulls the lever in the voting booth.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Debate what? I have seen you refute nothing that I posted but instead try to divert. This post is about the election in NY 9 and you want to divert to Iraq or anyplace else. That speaks volumes.
    No, I said you had 1 data point and that you can't claim "referendum" from that. I didn't divert to Iraq, it's just funny all the "fiscally responsible" Republicans these days talking about how we're broke but they wasted **** tons of money on the things they supported. And this is a group of people I'm supposed to trust to get us out of this economic disaster? It's going to be different than the Democrats? Yeah right, they'll take my money just as quickly as the Democrats do and they'll give it to their friends in the banks and wall street and in select corporations who contribute enough to the party; same as the Democrats do.

    There's a problem with the way government works, but your solution is to keep trusting in the broken system. The status quo does not change through supporting the status quo.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    I would not read too much into this loss, has everyone forgotten NY-26 where a Democrat won in a highly Republican district? Because of RyanCare?


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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Maybe not Bush's undoing, but it certainly was for the GOP. Hence the results of the 06 and 08 elections.
    Nope, wrong again. The Dems were against the war in Iraq and Dems don't often vote for Republicans. I think domestic issues had more to do with those elections than Iraq, but I doubt either one of us will prove our case.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    NY 9 with a 4-1 advantage for the Democrats went for a Republican 54-46. The country realizes it made a mistakein voting for Obama, when will you?
    Some people care about truth and reasonable, impartial processes to arrive at it, why don't you?

    Recent elections prove that districts long held in complacency by a single partisan block are far more vulnerable to capture than previously believed, at least for one cycle. For example, there's no telling how many sentimentally Republican people have telecommuted to that region for the last several decades but who have never organized into a voting power because of assumption in Democratic superiority in the region.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Maybe not Bush's undoing, but it certainly was for the GOP. Hence the results of the 06 and 08 elections.
    Also, if Bush's war in Iraq was the undoing of the GOP in 2006, why was it not Bush's undoing in 2004?

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, I said you had 1 data point and that you can't claim "referendum" from that. I didn't divert to Iraq, it's just funny all the "fiscally responsible" Republicans these days talking about how we're broke but they wasted **** tons of money on the things they supported. And this is a group of people I'm supposed to trust to get us out of this economic disaster? It's going to be different than the Democrats? Yeah right, they'll take my money just as quickly as the Democrats do and they'll give it to their friends in the banks and wall street and in select corporations who contribute enough to the party; same as the Democrats do.

    There's a problem with the way government works, but your solution is to keep trusting in the broken system. The status quo does not change through supporting the status quo.
    You seem to miss the point, iraq didn't cause the 14.6 trillion dollar debt but instead in 10 years cost about 1.4 trillion including Afghanistan with much of that included in the defense budget. The reality is liberlism and social engineering has caused the debt we have today. So instead of whining, what is your solution? A third party? That only re-elects Obama. You want a viable third party then start at the grass roots level. All third party candidates run into reality, not enough to support their position.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How about doing what is right for America and that would be supporting Israel? How about stopping with the rapid shift towards a European Socialist Model and do the will of the people? NY 9 says a lot about what is going on, wonder when his supporters wake up. This was Chuck Schumer's seat, huge Democrat District that is showing the direction of the country today as more and more Americans finally admit that this country made a mistake in voting for Obama
    All, I was saying is that President Obama thinks that not supporting Israel is the right thing to do and I do not see him changing. As for the European model, I understand and agree. He is wrong on that too, but I don't see him changing on that either.

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