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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm sure that Conservative saw other elections as a referendum on Obama ... like when a Democrat recently won the NY seat held by Republicans since Jack Kemp won it in the 70s. Or when Hoffman, a Democrat, won in a NY district that had been solidly Republican since the party was formed in 1856? I'm sure.
    Well those are just local referendums of course

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm sure that Conservative saw other elections as a referendum on Obama ... like when a Democrat recently won the NY seat held by Republicans since Jack Kemp won it in the 70s. Or when Hoffman, a Democrat, won in a NY district that had been solidly Republican since the party was formed in 1856? I'm sure.
    When were those elections and what was the Obama approval rating at the time? As I stated I completely understand why cult followers will not admit what is obvious.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Can we all agree that since has taken place 14 months before the next election it is not a predictor of anything. Things will happen, polls will change. People will be guessing wrong about the winner of the election in October of 2012.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Can we all agree that since has taken place 14 months before the next election it is not a predictor of anything. Things will happen, polls will change. People will be guessing wrong about the winner of the election in October of 2012.
    There is no question that you are right, poll numbers will change. I do believe however that the majority in this country are now realizing that they made a mistake in 2008 and it is going to be hard for Obama to recover unless he creates so much dependence that provides the votes necessary for re-election. He will buy as many votes as possible to stay in his job. It is that kind of policy that Conservatives want to defeat and one that this country cannot afford.

    NY 9 is an indication that the tide is turning and there is a reason that Obama, who won with 52% of the vote now has a 39% JAR losing 13% of that support. Hard to imagine a Democrat District for the past 90 years to all of a sudden ignore the Obama record and just vote for a Republican because of Weiner's resignation.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

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    When were those elections and what was the Obama approval rating at the time? As I stated I completely understand why cult followers will not admit what is obvious.
    New York's 23rd congressional district special election, 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The 2009 special election received significant national attention, and was alternately described as "a referendum on President Barack Obama" and "a fight over the identity of the Republican Party."

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There is no question that you are right, poll numbers will change. I do believe however that the majority in this country are now realizing that they made a mistake in 2008 and it is going to be hard for Obama to recover unless he creates so much dependence that provides the votes necessary for re-election. He will buy as many votes as possible to stay in his job. It is that kind of policy that Conservatives want to defeat and one that this country cannot afford.

    NY 9 is an indication that the tide is turning and there is a reason that Obama, who won with 52% of the vote now has a 39% JAR losing 13% of that support. Hard to imagine a Democrat District for the past 90 years to all of a sudden ignore the Obama record and just vote for a Republican because of Weiner's resignation.
    I do not disagree with anything you have said. But as you know in a race for electoral votes there are some states that almost certainly go one way or the other. Also this race will be the most costly and negative in the history of US elections. So while I agree that Obama has a problem not sure anyone can ascertain what will happen 14 months from now. What will be the wedge issue, or misstatement by either Obama or his opponent that the press will magnify, what national or international event that will happen next summer that will change everything.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    New York's 23rd congressional district special election, 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The 2009 special election received significant national attention, and was alternately described as "a referendum on President Barack Obama" and "a fight over the identity of the Republican Party."
    Thunder, as I have pointed out I don't expect true Obama supporters to acknowledge even what is common knowledge today. Obama's current approval ratings are at record lows for him and the results are there for all to see. It is hard for most people to ignore those results and the only ones that will are the Obama cult who refuse to admit that they were wrong.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Thunder, as I have pointed out I don't expect true Obama supporters to acknowledge even what is common knowledge today. Obama's current approval ratings are at record lows for him and the results are there for all to see. It is hard for most people to ignore those results and the only ones that will are the Obama cult who refuse to admit that they were wrong.
    do you agree that the election in the 23rd was a referendum on Obama?

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    do you agree that the election in the 23rd was a referendum on Obama?
    I believe that Owens got 73K votes and the Conservative and Independent got 78k votes which means Owens didn't get the majority in that District. I also realize that election was in 2009 and not 2011. Guess those facts escaped you.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I believe that Owens got 73K votes and the Conservative and Independent got 78k votes which means Owens didn't get the majority in that District. I also realize that election was in 2009 and not 2011. Guess those facts escaped you.
    The next presedential election is not for 1 year and 2 months. Many exciting and game-changing things can happen between now and then, including a sudden improvement in the economy, decrease in the unemployment rate, or the GOP candidate could say things such ridiculously stupid things as to make the election a cake-walk for Obama. I understand that the members of the anti-Obama cult fail to comprehend this, but these are the facts.
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