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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

Then why don't you get someone elected to your liking, instead of just bitching all the time about the ones that are there. You're never happy. If libertarianism is so great, why none in the presidency?

There are many hurdles to clear to be able to be recognized by the establishment. Rules to prevent the free competition of political ideals. Still, I do volunteer quite a bit particularly on local candidates to try to get names and information out to the general populace.
 
Again a handful of issues does not make someone a conservative. Besides that politicians run on "issues of the day" all the time. It doesn't mean they actually support those issues.

They look at the polls to see what concerns people. Craft a "message" to align those concerns with the politicians sponsors goals, if possible. Distribute said message through media which reaches their target demographic. If this is successful, they are elected and can get down to the real work for those who paid for their campaigns.

Politicians generally spend more time campaigning than actually working.

It now cost MILLIONS for anyone to get elected to Federal office.

Who the hell does everybody think they work for? The ones who provide the millions they need to get elected, or the voters all that money is spent "convincing"?

Look at what happens AFTER every election for you answer.

NOBODY gets anything resembling what they voted for.

Election investors? That's a different story.
 
Oh puhlease! You think that Romney is the same as Obama? How about Perry? How about Bachmann? How about Gingrich? How about Paul? How about Santorum? How about Cain? You believe these people are the same as Obama? Is this why, Obama and each of them are the same, the liberals here are trying their best to denigrate all of these people? Surely, you jest.

I'll give you Cain and Paul. Romney and Perry like Obama will say whatever they think the crowd wants to hear. Well, Bachmann is on her own. It's hard to tell what she might say.

Gingrinch and Santorum both had their day in the spotlight and burned us. Gingrich on top of that completely lacks scruples.
 
You are missing the point, this is a 4-1 Democrat District that hasn't elected a Republican since the 1920's. this is a referendum on Obama and his policies and is sending shockwaves through the Democrat Party.

Do you think a republican in New York is the same as one in Texas?
 
Seems Obama not strongly supporting israel has come back to haunt him....the orthodox jews which have a huge community in this district voted for the GOP.
This does not bode well for Obama...if the jews abandon him...they are some of his staunchest supporters and donors. I am ALL FOR total support of Israel.

Republican wins Democratic New York House seat - The Washington Post


Bob Turner, the winner, cast the election as a referendum on Obama’s stewardship of the economy and, in the state’s Ninth Congressional District, which has a large population of Orthodox Jewish voters, the president’s position on Israel.

I wonder how many lefties are pissed off about this but they shouldn't be.. it's all Obama's fault not Bush.
 
I wonder how many lefties are pissed off about this but they shouldn't be.. it's all Obama's fault not Bush.

What the hell are you talking about? I honestly have no idea how this would be Obama or Bush's fault?

"Holy ****, Jonny Venters just left that slider hanging and the Marlins hit a home run! Damn you Obama!"
 
Do you think a republican in New York is the same as one in Texas?

No different than a Democrat in TX vs. one in NY. What does that have to do with the fact that NY 9 hasn't elected a Republican since the early 20's and elected one yesterday? This was Chuck Schumer's former seat. Think about it. I posted the issues and those issues went right after Obama and the Republican won. That speaks volumes.
 
What the hell are you talking about? I honestly have no idea how this would be Obama or Bush's fault?

"Holy ****, Jonny Venters just left that slider hanging and the Marlins hit a home run! Damn you Obama!"


I agree that couldn't be Obama's fault .. . after all I remember him throwing out a first pitch …. he throws like a girl, and couldn't even get it to home plate …
 
What the hell are you talking about? I honestly have no idea how this would be Obama or Bush's fault?

"Holy ****, Jonny Venters just left that slider hanging and the Marlins hit a home run! Damn you Obama!"

Well...that might be a LITTLE disingenuous. It may not be Obamas fault or even say anything at all about him. But...for a traditionally overwhelmingly democrat district to elect a republican...well...it says SOMETHING. could be weiner shame. Could just be the republican was the bette candidate. But it could indicate a trend.

I still believe Obama will be reelected. But I am starting to see a 2004 type scenario blooming.
 
Well...that might be a LITTLE disingenuous. It may not be Obamas fault or even say anything at all about him. But...for a traditionally overwhelmingly democrat district to elect a republican...well...it says SOMETHING. could be weiner shame. Could just be the republican was the bette candidate. But it could indicate a trend.

I still believe Obama will be reelected. But I am starting to see a 2004 type scenario blooming.

Obama won in 2008 with 52% of the vote. Today his job approval rating is around 40%, what happened to those 12% that voted for him in 2008?
 
are you suggesting/admitting that one has to be brainwashed in order to vote GOP?

I don't believe I have suggested any such silly theory. Well, I guess I did tell them to wash their brain. LOL!
 
Obama won in 2008 with 52% of the vote. Today his job approval rating is around 40%, what happened to those 12% that voted for him in 2008?

So you are comparing an actual vote count to a poll of a few people... hmmmmmzzz yea very comparable.......:roll:
 
What the hell are you talking about? I honestly have no idea how this would be Obama or Bush's fault?

"Holy ****, Jonny Venters just left that slider hanging and the Marlins hit a home run! Damn you Obama!"

The district is heavily Jewish and Obama has not been to nice to Israel and the way he treated Benjamin Netanyahu and Jewish people don't forget.
 
Obama won in 2008 with 52% of the vote. Today his job approval rating is around 40%, what happened to those 12% that voted for him in 2008?

I think many are still 'hopeful'. Many are pissed for completely different reasons...they dont think he has gone far enough.

At the end of the day, unless republicans offer different/better, who cares?
 
So you are comparing an actual vote count to a poll of a few people... hmmmmmzzz yea very comparable.......:roll:

I am looking at the national polls, Gallup Today, showing Obama with an approval rating of 40% and pointing out that Obama won with 52% of the vote. Then there is the NY 9 race with 4-1 Democrats and a Republican candidate running against the Obama record which the Democrat candidate supported. The Republican took the election 54-46% and was the first Republican that won in that district since the early 1920's. That says a lot, JAR down 12% and losing a 4-1 Democrat District. Love the liberal spin on that one.
 
I think many are still 'hopeful'. Many are pissed for completely different reasons...they dont think he has gone far enough.

At the end of the day, unless republicans offer different/better, who cares?

Those that don't think he has gone far enough are still going to vote for him. In NY 9 the 4-1 Democratic District went 54-46% for the Republican who ran against the Obama record. That is a signal that cannot be discounted.
 
U.S. Senator Charles E. Schumer is next. :2razz:
 
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Obama won in 2008 with 52% of the vote. Today his job approval rating is around 40%, what happened to those 12% that voted for him in 2008?

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I am on record as advocating that Obama should NOT run again. He should announce soon that he will not stand for re-election and allow others to come forward.

Is it accurate to speculate that if he did that your anti-Obama posts would decrease by some serious numbers - maybe as much as 90% - while you turn your guns on other Dems who may beat your beloved Repubican Party nominee in 2012?
 
Obama won in 2008 with 52% of the vote. Today his job approval rating is around 40%, what happened to those 12% that voted for him in 2008?
And you are equating a disapproval of Obama to be an approval of the GOP.Many people are unhappy with Obama because he appeases the right far too often. They aren't going to go out and vote GOP just because of that.I think the right is making the mistake of 04 and being to "sure" that Obama will be ousted like the Dems thought about Bush.If the GOP puts up a "Kerry" candidate, Obama will be in the WH for another 4 years.So far with min wage Perry, flip flop Romney, and bat**** crazy Bachman things aren't looking too gold for the GOP. I think the right is going to "Kerry" this next election.
 
No different than a Democrat in TX vs. one in NY. What does that have to do with the fact that NY 9 hasn't elected a Republican since the early 20's and elected one yesterday? This was Chuck Schumer's former seat. Think about it. I posted the issues and those issues went right after Obama and the Republican won. That speaks volumes.

No, it really doesn't. You have no statistics to back the point you're trying to make, you only have 1 data point. Maybe people are pissed at all incumbents, regardless of political affiliation and this change is but the first in an avalanche. Maybe people are just pissed at the democrats; but you can't really say anything with any amount of confidence or significance from one data point.
 
I voted an independent ballot and Bob Barr as a presidential candidate. I would have voted for Hillary and hoped she had the political smarts her husband has. I have voted in every election i could since i was 18 includin absentee ballots from places most people couldnt spell let alone find on a map.

And, some others like you voted for the Libertarian candidate too. And many others sat at home because they could not see a difference. And, some even thought that Barack Obama was going to get this country on a good path to prosperity and good times. Unfortunately, the signs were there and all of you missed them or ignored them. You asked if I was proud to vote for a Retard. The answer is yes. I voted to stop Obama from becoming President. Now, because of those of you who did not vote for McCain, we have "ObamaCare." Would that have happened under a McCain Administration? No. We have a President who apologizes for all of the time for the U.S. Would McCain do that? No. Hmmmm. Libertarian? Ron Paul? Maybe you would be pleased with the apologies. Oh well, I am not. Are you proud of doing nothing to stop that "ObamaCare?" I would be ashamed, but I understand that some do not care whether we have government run health care insurance or not.
 
And, some others like you voted for the Libertarian candidate too. And many others sat at home because they could not see a difference. And, some even thought that Barack Obama was going to get this country on a good path to prosperity and good times. Unfortunately, the signs were there and all of you missed them or ignored them. You asked if I was proud to vote for a Retard. The answer is yes. I voted to stop Obama from becoming President. Now, because of those of you who did not vote for McCain, we have "ObamaCare." Would that have happened under a McCain Administration? No. We have a President who apologizes for all of the time for the U.S. Would McCain do that? No. Hmmmm. Libertarian? Ron Paul? Maybe you would be pleased with the apologies. Oh well, I am not. Are you proud of doing nothing to stop that "ObamaCare?" I would be ashamed, but I understand that some do not care whether we have government run health care insurance or not.

I think this was a complete crap argument with nothing of substance to back it up. You're essentially saying that we have to vote Republocrat. That's bull****. Voting for the lesser of two evils (and Obama was that lesser last time) leaves you with evil. The system as set up does not work if I vote for someone I don't like only to keep someone I like less out. It works when I vote for the person I have the most confidence in, who best echos my own political platform, and one whom I would be comfortable with lending my authority and sovereignty to. Sorry if the Republicans can't field such a candidate, but I won't vote for them until they do. Maybe you should stop putting up crappy candidates and then I'd support them. But I'm not going to support any candidate I don't feel would be good for the Republic. Neither Obama nor McCain fit that bill. I'm done voting for the lesser of two evils and watching the Republic suffer because of it. My vote goes to the best candidate, the one who I feel will do the best job regardless of "chances of winning" or other BS crap non-thinkers try to throw out there to stop people from exercising their right to vote for the best candidate and instead accept the lesser of two evils.

I want the system more open, not less. Anything else is retarded and a serious threat to the future of the Republic.
 
Romney wouldn't be too different, neither would Perry in all reality. Actually, that guy is a bit of a nut so there is some gamble there. Paul, no not at all. But he also is an outlier and also most likely won't win the nomination. If he did, I'd probably vote for him in the main election. As I said earlier, the Republicrats would have to put up an excellent candidate before I'd vote for them again. Their standard stock is...well, standard.

Got it! You would rather vote for someone who cannot possibly win and who will have no impact on the resulting Administration rather than voting for someone, who could. It is people who did not vote for McCain or who voted for Obama that got us "ObamaCare." I'm glad I don't have to explain why I, in effect, sat on the sidelines and allowed that to happen. I guess we all have our crosses to bear.
 
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