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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Does Iraq have to "hurt you or your family" before one can properly critique it? We're broke and we're spending ridiculous money on Iraq. How much already? We've never had a war last this long, we've more than doubled our losses from 9/11 which this is all supposed to be about somehow, we've destroyed countries and people and furthered anti-American sentiments in an area already hostile to us because of our (the West in general) intervention.
    You would have more credibility if you could honestly critique Iraq but you cannot. Iraq is winding down and we are spending less there than now yet the budget deficit is higher. What you want to ignore are the many Democrats on record prior to Bush taking office supporting the removal of Saddam Hussein. Why do you think they didn't pursue Impeachment?

    For the third year in a row the deficit is over a trillion dollars. NY 9 says enough is enough as this 4-1 Democrat District voted for the Republican 54-46.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, I will not limit my critique of the party's control and influence to the time frame you want to try to make yourself look good. Your side sucks just as well. You want to limit what I can say? Why? Because you know when the R's were in charge, they were just as bad. What have Republicans done since 2007? Run obstructionist campaigns on nothing more than partisan BS. We couldn't even have an honest debate on healthcare. Socialism this and death panel. How long did Republicans hold us hostage to get tax cuts for the rich to stick? You want to run your mouth about funding Medicaid or Unemployment when we're broke? How the hell do you run an expansive international war when you're broke? Huh? How do you keep handing out money like its candy to places like Israel when we're broke? If we're cutting funding because we're broke, I will cut funding for each and every asshole out there BEFORE I would consider cutting any support for American people.

    I got a better question. Since 2007, what have Republicans done FOR us?
    Since 2007 Democrats have had overwhelming support of the Congress until Republicans took the House in 2011. NY 9 is a referendum on Obama and that Democrat control. If a District that is 4-1 Democrats votes 54-46 for a Republican that is a powerful message that supporters better pay attention to.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You would have more credibility if you could honestly critique Iraq but you cannot. Iraq is winding down and we are spending less there than now yet the budget deficit is higher. What you want to ignore are the many Democrats on record prior to Bush taking office supporting the removal of Saddam Hussein. Why do you think they didn't pursue Impeachment?
    We don't impeach for **** anymore because both sides are so guilty they don't want to open the can of worms. I thought Clinton should have been impeached for lying under oath and he looks like a god damned Boy Scout compared to Bush and Obama.

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    For the third year in a row the deficit is over a trillion dollars. NY 9 says enough is enough as this 4-1 Democrat District voted for the Republican 54-46.
    And for nearly a decade we've been bombing the piss out of countries in the ME. Continue to do so. We may be "winding down" Iraq (I'll believe it when I see it), but we're not done wasting American lives and money in the area just yet. Obama is continuing what Bush started (which is why before he was elected, I said that he'll mostly be just like Bush).
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since 2007 Democrats have had overwhelming support of the Congress until Republicans took the House in 2011. NY 9 is a referendum on Obama and that Democrat control. If a District that is 4-1 Democrats votes 54-46 for a Republican that is a powerful message that supporters better pay attention to.
    So? You didn't answer anything at all. You just say this is a "referendum on Obama". I say bull****. You have ONE data point, you can't say anything definitive about the system yet. This is just what you WANT to be true, not something that is necessarily true. It could be the first in a Democrat expulsion (though we'll be in no better place, the Republicans will just take over and those two parties are essentially the same thing), it could be the first in an incumbent expulsion. You don't know. You can't say anything with certainty off of one data point.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Perhaps I should have been more specific.

    More reffering to their overall popularity and legacy.

    Take Tony Blair for example, one of the best Prime Ministers Britain has ever had. But he'll always have that dark cloud of Iraq hanging over his head. And although I admire and respect him alot, the fact he went into Iraq, well I just can't forgive him or Bush for that.
    No, you shouldn't have been more specific. He should have just known that.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So? You didn't answer anything at all. You just say this is a "referendum on Obama". I say bull****. You have ONE data point, you can't say anything definitive about the system yet. This is just what you WANT to be true, not something that is necessarily true. It could be the first in a Democrat expulsion (though we'll be in no better place, the Republicans will just take over and those two parties are essentially the same thing), it could be the first in an incumbent expulsion. You don't know. You can't say anything with certainty off of one data point.
    Name for me the last Republican this District voted for? After watching Republicans on the Debt debate indications are they learned from the 2006-2008-2010 elections and if that isn't the case they will be voted out of office again in 2014. We are broke so tell me how increasing Federal Spending is going to resolve that?

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    It's very sad how much damage this country has had to sustain in order to help republicans discredit Obama and push them back into power. Even sadder is how much more damage this country will sustain with leadership whose only goal is to secure power and wealth for themselves. It would be great to see a republican who actually lived up to republican ideals like community focus, actual morality, support of small business, and military non-intervention. Instead we get greedy pricks who smash small business for large ones, take focus away from community with an obsession over nuclear families, ignore Christian morality like actually loving one's neighbor, and use the US military to kill personal enemies and secure wealth for corporate interests.

    It boggles my mind why anyone votes for mainstream republicans. They don't actually follow their party's platform at all.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Name for me the last Republican this District voted for? After watching Republicans on the Debt debate indications are they learned from the 2006-2008-2010 elections and if that isn't the case they will be voted out of office again in 2014. We are broke so tell me how increasing Federal Spending is going to resolve that?
    Again, deflection without addressing the point. If you want to debate, fine; debate. But you're deflecting, which is just weaksauce.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's very sad how much damage this country has had to sustain in order to help republicans discredit Obama and push them back into power. Even sadder is how much more damage this country will sustain with leadership whose only goal is to secure power and wealth for themselves. It would be great to see a republican who actually lived up to republican ideals like community focus, actual morality, support of small business, and military non-intervention. Instead we get greedy pricks who smash small business for large ones, take focus away from community with an obsession over nuclear families, ignore Christian morality like actually loving one's neighbor, and use the US military to kill personal enemies and secure wealth for corporate interests.

    It boggles my mind why anyone votes for mainstream republicans. They don't actually follow their party's platform at all.
    NY 9 with a 4-1 advantage for the Democrats went for a Republican 54-46. The country realizes it made a mistakein voting for Obama, when will you?

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since 2007 Democrats have had overwhelming support of the Congress until Republicans took the House in 2011. NY 9 is a referendum on Obama and that Democrat control. If a District that is 4-1 Democrats votes 54-46 for a Republican that is a powerful message that supporters better pay attention to.
    NY 9 is largely a referendum about one issue, Israel. If this special election means anything, it means that Obama will have to be very concerned about Florida ( Southeast to be specific). New York won't be in play, but Florida surely is.

    Let's remember that this is a constituency that has been democratic since FDR. It votes about 70% democratic. Also there is the question of what big donors will do. Think past NY9 and look at the larger ramifications.

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