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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    You may be familiar with NY politics, but I actually lived in that district the first 20+ years of my life. I did not follow the election, just assumed it was a slam dunk. Only when I heard on morning Joe I think the day before that it was actually a race, but even then did not think a Republican would actually win.
    So, in other words, you paid about as much attention to the process as Weprin did, and were just as surprised by the result. Makes sense to me.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Congressional elections are by their very nature local elections -- elections in which only a relatively small locality can vote. They are each about the beliefs, needs and desires of a small portion of the population.

    Anyway, since you're holding up the media as a source of truth now that they agree with your partisan perspective, then no doubt you also believe CNN is telling the truth about more people trusting Obama on the economy than the Republicans in Congress.
    Not at all, I recognize reality. Congressional elections are for the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, not the local commissioners job. The fact that small numbers vote is irrelevant, what power does that Freshman Rep really have in a House with 435 other members?

    Do you put faith in a CNN poll that says that? Are you happy with your Rep? That is all that matters. National polls on Congress are irrelevant regardless of what the media tells you. I like my Representative and as long as more people in my District support him that is all that matters. National polls on Congressional popularity may make you feel good but think about it? I know you can figure this out.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    So, in other words, you paid about as much attention to the process as Weprin did, and were just as surprised by the result. Makes sense to me.
    If you think it was the quality of the candidate you are fooling yourself. I will bet that most people who voted never saw either one of the candidates. Sad but true.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you put faith in a CNN poll that says that?
    No, I'm just pointing out that by touting the press coverage as evidence of the correctness of your view, but slamming them the rest of the time as being left-wing biased, you're being a hypocrite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Are you happy with your Rep? That is all that matters. National polls on Congress are irrelevant regardless of what the media tells you. I like my Representative and as long as more people in my District support him that is all that matters.
    And that's what makes House elections local matters. Thanks for reinforcing my point.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    If you think it was the quality of the candidate you are fooling yourself. I will bet that most people who voted never saw either one of the candidates. Sad but true.
    I'm pretty sure it was a whole lot more about voting against Weprin than it was about voting against Obama or voting for Turner.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm pretty sure it was a whole lot more about voting against Weprin than it was about voting against Obama or voting for Turner.
    What is the basis of that statement? Remember as a Democrat in that district the instinct is to vote for him. He was not the incumbent with people wanting change. What can you point to that he did where people would change a vote they may have never changed in their life.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    What is the basis of that statement? Remember as a Democrat in that district the instinct is to vote for him. He was not the incumbent with people wanting change. What can you point to that he did where people would change a vote they may have never changed in their life.
    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Wow, 70+ pages of the same old my-side-rocks-your-side-sucks politics. What a surprise.

    This wasn't a referendum on Obama, or the Republican agenda, or on what flavor of ice cream Ben & Jerry's should invent next, or anything else that it's been tied to. I also reject Schumer's half-assed explanation about how conservative the district has been getting over the past decades, mainly because it kept electing a Democrat. This was about local politics and nothing but local politics.

    I don't know about any of you, I noticed that Weprin took certain positions which left him very vulnerable in a district full of conservative Jews:
    He supported the Park15 project -- the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque."
    He voted for the legalization of gay marriage in New York.
    He wasn't particularly effective at attacking his opponent or addressing his opponent's attacks.
    He pissed off some local interest groups with gestures as thoughtless as, well, not showing up to talk to them.
    Summation, for all you tl;drers -- this was an election lost by an idiot because of local politics. It was nothing more or less than that.

    I realize that the national media (and, heck, let's throw Fox News in there) didn't have a whole lot to say about these another salient facts in the wake of Turner's victory, but that doesn't make them any less true, or this referendum crap any less false.

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled baseless posturing.
    There you go.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, I'm just pointing out that by touting the press coverage as evidence of the correctness of your view, but slamming them the rest of the time as being left-wing biased, you're being a hypocrite.



    And that's what makes House elections local matters. Thanks for reinforcing my point.
    It makes your point? Your point was the poll numbers for Congress were terrible and thus justification that Obama is doing better than the numbers show. The only thing local about a Congressional election is the spin by people who don't know the role of the govt. They are only local in that they represent the people of that area on the national stage. Very little of what they do affects the local community and you should know that.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It makes your point? Your point was the poll numbers for Congress were terrible and thus justification that Obama is doing better than the numbers show.
    Um, no, that wasn't even close to the point I was making. I even told you what my point was, but you missed it anyway. Oh well.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    I'm sure that Conservative saw other elections as a referendum on Obama ... like when a Democrat recently won the NY seat held by Republicans since Jack Kemp won it in the 70s. Or when Hoffman, a Democrat, won in a NY district that had been solidly Republican since the party was formed in 1856? I'm sure.

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