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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

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    I'm hearing crickets.

    Not entirely true ..

    The founders of the*Federal*Constitution had attempted to anticipate contested or very close presidential election results and thus had made provisions to*deal*with such an eventuality. There is a strict timetable between the presidential election and the swearing in of the*successful*candidate as president. There is a constitutional provision that the*House*of Representatives can elect the president should any presidential election result in a tied vote or no candidate securing the required majority in the electoral*college. On the other hand, if there are disputed presidential election results in any of the states that determine the destination of electoral*college*votes then it is the responsibility of the Supreme Court to make a fair and fast judgements to resolve the issue.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Gore got more of the popular vote than Bush. Yeah, that was some ass-kicking.

    You're right there ... where the ass kicking took place was in TN. where Al Gore couldn't even carry his home state .. I'm going to have to look up and see when that last time a presidential candidate didn't carry his home state.... cause that can't happen very often

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

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    You're right there ... where the ass kicking took place was in TN. where Al Gore couldn't even carry his home state .. I'm going to have to look up and see when that last time a presidential candidate didn't carry his home state.... cause that can't happen very often
    I believe it was goldwater, running against Johnson, in 64 wasn't it? Much like Gore had nader taking votes, goldwater had wallace .Of course Johnson did manage to carry 44 states to goldwaters 6.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Now seeing as you care so much for the law, then it appears as if the law was followed to the letter. Apparently you didn't agree with the results, and you have that right. But you have no right to question if the law was followed. Because it was followed.

    Actually, that is the central problem and you say nothing about it at all other than making the claim without examining the merits of the claim.

    There were two good books written on the decision by the following learned legal experts

    Alan M. Dershowitz is Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School and the author of Supreme Injustice: How the High Court Hijacked Election 2000. He recently represented a group of Palm Beach voters who opposed George W. Bush's efforts to stop the recount in that county. Richard A. Posner is a judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit and a senior lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School. He is the author of Breaking the Deadlock: The 2000 Election, the Constitution, and the Courts.


    Slate Magazine ran exchanges between the two men discussing the content oftheir books and their arguments on the issue. This is from Alan Dershowitz and speaks directly to your claim

    The issue between us is thus squarely met. We both believe that the decision cannot be justified on the grounds set forth in the majority opinion. We both believe that it is proper, indeed necessary, to examine the motives of the justices. We both believe these motives are secret and hidden. We both believe that the five justices may have been unconsciously motivated by a desire to select Bush as president. We both believe that such a desire, if conscious, would be lawless. You believe that the majority justices did not deliberately try to swing the election to Bush. I conclude, after reading hundreds of opinions, articles, and testimonies by these justices, that they did deliberately try to swing the election to Bush.
    The five justices who selected Bush did so NOT because the law was clear cut and pointed to that inevitable conclusion but rather they simply decided the case based on their own political preference as if they were voting in a normal voting booth as a citizen and not as a sitting justice of the court.

    And the tragedy is that in doing this, it issued what Professor Dershowitz has said "it may be ranked as the single most corrupt decision in Supreme Court history."
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    He cannot explain it nor than any Obama supporter. Not sure what it is about liberalism that creates such loyalty but any Democrat that runs on the Obama record is going to lose. There are 23 Democrat Senators on the ballot in 2012 and they are scared to death of losing their jobs. Both candidates in NY 9 and Nevada ran on the Obama policies and openly stated that they supported those policies. Nevada was a landslide for the Republicans and the Democrat candidate was a good one, attractive and a local record. She lost big.
    Not only that but the challenger in NY connected the Republican candidate to the "evil" Tea Party and the guy still won going away.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    You're right there ... where the ass kicking took place was in TN. where Al Gore couldn't even carry his home state .. I'm going to have to look up and see when that last time a presidential candidate didn't carry his home state.... cause that can't happen very often
    those who knew him best voted against him though in all fairness the closest thing Al Bore had to a home "state" was Washington DC



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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually, that is the central problem and you say nothing about it at all other than making the claim without examining the merits of the claim.

    There were two good books written on the decision by the following learned legal experts

    Alan M. Dershowitz is Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School and the author of Supreme Injustice: How the High Court Hijacked Election 2000. He recently represented a group of Palm Beach voters who opposed George W. Bush's efforts to stop the recount in that county. Richard A. Posner is a judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit and a senior lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School. He is the author of Breaking the Deadlock: The 2000 Election, the Constitution, and the Courts.


    Slate Magazine ran exchanges between the two men discussing the content oftheir books and their arguments on the issue. This is from Alan Dershowitz and speaks directly to your claim



    The five justices who selected Bush did so NOT because the law was clear cut and pointed to that inevitable conclusion but rather they simply decided the case based on their own political preference as if they were voting in a normal voting booth as a citizen and not as a sitting justice of the court.

    And the tragedy is that in doing this, it issued what Professor Dershowitz has said "it may be ranked as the single most corrupt decision in Supreme Court history."
    AD is a far left liberal hack and paid whore of a law professor whines about the decision yet Douchewitz didn't complain about the 7 dem judges of the SCOFLA(w) overruling FINDINGS OF FACT by several dem trial judges who ALL RULED FOR BUSH



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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    You're right there ... where the ass kicking took place was in TN. where Al Gore couldn't even carry his home state .. I'm going to have to look up and see when that last time a presidential candidate didn't carry his home state.... cause that can't happen very often
    Well, if Bachmann is the GOP candidate you'll see it again. She's barely managed majorities in her district, and I don't think she could even get a third in Minneapolis, St. Paul, or the Iron Range.


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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    AD is a far left liberal hack and paid whore of a law professor whines about the decision yet Douchewitz didn't complain about the 7 dem judges of the SCOFLA(w) overruling FINDINGS OF FACT by several dem trial judges who ALL RULED FOR BUSH
    That is an ad hominem attack on Professor Dershowitz which indicates you hate him because of his politics. It says nothing about his arguments which remain intact.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those who knew him best voted against him though in all fairness the closest thing Al Bore had to a home "state" was Washington DC
    There are no shortage of major party candidates who ran for president and lost their birth state or resident state.

    List of major-party United States presidential candidates who lost their home state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There is no law - written or unwritten -that you have to win your home state and not doing so dooms you. Obviously Turtle you do have a point in that if he had won his own state then the whole matter of Florida would not matter one iota. That is undeniable. However, it is also irrelevant as to who really had the most peoples votes in Florida and the actions of the US Supreme Court in the matter.
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