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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

Ikari said:
When Obama was running for office and people were running around shouting "Hope and Change" and all that nonsense, I told them that he's a Chicago politician and you shouldn't trust him. In the end he'll be almost exactly like Bush I told them. And lo and behold, it turns out I was right. Bush II.
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I see that you have been here since December of 2006. Can you point us to a thread where you made these comments?
 
pbrauer said:
I didn't follow the campaign, I understand Weprin was a piss poor candidate. He was asked what the national debt was on TV and his answer was $4 trillion. Politics are local and I don't see where this affects Obama who likely will win reelection.
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NY 9 is 4-1 Democrat over Republican and the Republican won by a 54-46 margin and that speaks volumes. The best you can do is say he wasn't a good candidate? This District hasn't elected a Republican since I believe 1921 so during that time I guess all the Democrat Candidates were excellent. My bet is that the D after the name meant more than the candidate. Today those with a D better find a way to disguise it. Obama will be on the ballot in 2012 and this leftwing partisan ideologue is out of touch with the majority in this country including many who voted for him. Results matter even in a 4-1 Democrat district
 
Although the jewish vote is crucial in this district, I would think it is foolish to take it as a bellweather. For the record, I don't really have a horse in the dem v rep race.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Are people under some impression that the president has been sitting on the "Magically Fix Everything" Button and is simply refusing to press it to spite conservatives?
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While the true believers cling to the "Barrack the magic Negro" savior of the universe hype, more and more people (including democrats that voted for him) recognize that not only is he not sitting on the magic fix the economy button, but that he is so clueless he wouldnt recognize it if it was rigid, 8" long, and he was sitting on it.
 
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LesGovt said:
I see that you have been here since December of 2006. Can you point us to a thread where you made these comments?
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No. First off, it's digging through years of stuff to get to. How far back does the database on posts go? Secondly, not everything I say is said exclusively on DP. If posts from a few years ago are still around, you are more than free to search them.
 
Conservative said:
Please provide me with a list of things the Republicans have done since 2007 when the Democrats took control of the Congress. NY 9 has a 4-1 ratio of Democrats to Republicans and many of those Democrats pulled the lever for a Republican for the first time in their life. Do you honestly believe that this wasn't a referendum on Obama? Do you know who Wall Street supported in 2008 with their wallets? Seems according to you the People's interest are businesses like Solyndra, Federal Spending for state responsibility issues like teachers, firefighters, and police, expanding Medicaid and Unemployment Insurance. How is it in the people's interest to fund those programs indefinitely and increasing the burden on the states when the federal taxpayer money runs out?
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Damn Conservative, you're a hard guy to stay behind. I'm conservative too, but this didn't just happen from 2007 the build up to this has been coming for decades, and it included Democrats and Republicans. They (from both parties) can say they didn't see this coming, but that is admitting their shortcomings and short sightedness. Seeing how those elected officials are suppose to be our brightest and best, it speaks loudly how they aren't concerned with the state of this country near as much as they are with their own well being.

Yes nothing was done since 2007 to prevent the fall, and that was the Democrats fault just as much as Bush's …. damn I don't know about you, but I just can't believe that with all the information our government gets monthly on such matters, that no one seen it coming. What is apparent is that if they did, they sure didn't take any action to stop, slow, or even attempt to make it less drastic then it ended up becoming.

Where you and I differ on things is where to place the blame, it belongs to both parties, we aren't 15 trillion dollars in debt because of Obama, or because of Bush, our government has consistently out spent what it has taken in for decades.

So while we made wholesale changes in 2006 and 2008 those changes were made because of the direction this country was moving in. People have seen that those changes have only increased those very same problems, thus you had the 2010 elections, and in My opinion you are going to see whole sale changes again in 2012.

One thing is sure, we have seen no fiscally conservative, in either party for a long time... but IMO we are moving in that direction, this recession has awoken the people of America, now that they have been awoken, politicians better take heed and do what is right, or expect their stay in office to be short.

While I will defend Bush from the far left, that can do no better then to blame him for everything they can think of to blame him for, I can't in all fairness blame Obama for everything this country is going through at this time either. Do I agree with his policies …. not at all.... has he improved anything … in my opinion no he hasn't, people agree and are sending him messages left and right, and he isn't listening. If he continues not to listen, they will send him one final message at the end of 2012. All that aside, we are were we are because both parties failed miserably.
 
LesGovt said:
Are you advocating that President Obama give up his principles to pander to the Jewish vote?
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Principles? Where has this President shown hw has principles?
 
Ikari said:
No. First off, it's digging through years of stuff to get to. How far back does the database on posts go? Secondly, not everything I say is said exclusively on DP. If posts from a few years ago are still around, you are more than free to search them.
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I see. You covered your bases very well. Got it.
 
The Barbarian said:
Damn Conservative, you're a hard guy to stay behind. I'm conservative too, but this didn't just happen from 2007 the build up to this has been coming for decades, and it included Democrats and Republicans. They (from both parties) can say they didn't see this coming, but that is admitting their shortcomings and short sightedness. Seeing how those elected officials are suppose to be our brightest and best, it speaks loudly how they aren't concerned with the state of this country near as much as they are with their own well being.

Yes nothing was done since 2007 to prevent the fall, and that was the Democrats fault just as much as Bush's …. damn I don't know about you, but I just can't believe that with all the information our government gets monthly on such matters, that no one seen it coming. What is apparent is that if they did, they sure didn't take any action to stop, slow, or even attempt to make it less drastic then it ended up becoming.

Where you and I differ on things is where to place the blame, it belongs to both parties, we aren't 15 trillion dollars in debt because of Obama, or because of Bush, our government has consistently out spent what it has taken in for decades.

So while we made wholesale changes in 2006 and 2008 those changes were made because of the direction this country was moving in. People have seen that those changes have only increased those very same problems, thus you had the 2010 elections, and in My opinion you are going to see whole sale changes again in 2012.

One thing is sure, we have seen no fiscally conservative, in either party for a long time... but IMO we are moving in that direction, this recession has awoken the people of America, now that they have been awoken, politicians better take heed and do what is right, or expect their stay in office to be short.

While I will defend Bush from the far left, that can do no better then to blame him for everything they can think of to blame him for, I can't in all fairness blame Obama for everything this country is going through at this time either. Do I agree with his policies …. not at all.... has he improved anything … in my opinion no he hasn't, people agree and are sending him messages left and right, and he isn't listening. If he continues not to listen, they will send him one final message at the end of 2012. All that aside, we are were we are because both parties failed miserably.
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I was asked the question as to what the Republicans have done since 2007 thus the answer and my answer stands
 
LesGovt said:
What are you talking about? You "remember people saying that you can't act against the sitting president?" Really? Can you provide a source for those comments?
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Those arguements were made concerning the war....nothing else though.
 
Mason66 said:
Principles? Where has this President shown hw has principles?
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Now! Now! He has principles. You probably just disagree with him. He has remained steadfast as a tax and spend liberal. He has remained steadfast as less than fully supportive of Israel. He has remained steadfast as one who apologizes for the U.S.

Again, he has lots of principles. I disagree with his principles, but he has them.
 
LesGovt said:
I see. You covered your bases very well. Got it.
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I don't know what you want. Even if you look at the last page in breaking news, the threads are from 2010; not exactly during Obama's first Presidential run. My own "find recent posts", only goes to 19 pages and that takes me to July of this year. I had said it at the time though, I never trusted Obama and expected him to be just like Bush, and for the most part I was right.
 
1Perry said:
Those arguements were made concerning the war....nothing else though.
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Oh, well, every President has issues where some people disagree. Whoop-dee-doo! :shock:
 
VanceMack said:
While the true believers cling to the "Barrack the magic Negro" savior of the universe hype, more and more people (including democrats that voted for him) recognize that not only is he not sitting on the magic fix the economy button, but that he is so clueless he wouldnt recognize it if it was rigid, 8" long, and he was sitting on it.
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now I don't care who you are .... . that's funny .. . LOL
 
Paschendale said:
Tea partiers don't do those things either. They just want their taxes (and no one else's) taxes lowered, but their benefits (and no one else's) protected. And to keep gays and atheists from being full citizens. They love Christianity as a label, without actually being Christ-like.
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They throw kittens off of bridges also. You forgot that one.
 
Ikari said:
I don't know what you want. Even if you look at the last page in breaking news, the threads are from 2010; not exactly during Obama's first Presidential run. My own "find recent posts", only goes to 19 pages and that takes me to July of this year. I had said it at the time though, I never trusted Obama and expected him to be just like Bush, and for the most part I was right.
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I will take you at your word that you said Obama would be "just like Bush." Of course, that is a false statement, but I will take it that you said it. Bush didn't go around apologizing for the U.S. Obama does. Bush didn't try to ram down our throats a program to take over 1/6th of the economy. Obama did. Bush didn't smite Israeli and the Jewish people. Obama did. I could find other things where they differ, but you get the point.
 
LesGovt said:
I will take you at your word that you said Obama would be "just like Bush." Of course, that is a false statement, but I will take it that you said it. Bush didn't go around apologizing for the U.S. Obama does. Bush didn't try to ram down our throats a program to take over 1/6th of the economy. Obama did. Bush didn't smite Israeli and the Jewish people. Obama did. I could find other things where they differ, but you get the point.
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Functionally, they are quite similar. You have some little superficial differences; but overall incredibly similar.
 
The Barbarian said:
Damn Conservative, you're a hard guy to stay behind. I'm conservative too, but this didn't just happen from 2007 the build up to this has been coming for decades, and it included Democrats and Republicans. They (from both parties) can say they didn't see this coming, but that is admitting their shortcomings and short sightedness. Seeing how those elected officials are suppose to be our brightest and best, it speaks loudly how they aren't concerned with the state of this country near as much as they are with their own well being.

Yes nothing was done since 2007 to prevent the fall, and that was the Democrats fault just as much as Bush's …. damn I don't know about you, but I just can't believe that with all the information our government gets monthly on such matters, that no one seen it coming. What is apparent is that if they did, they sure didn't take any action to stop, slow, or even attempt to make it less drastic then it ended up becoming.

Where you and I differ on things is where to place the blame, it belongs to both parties, we aren't 15 trillion dollars in debt because of Obama, or because of Bush, our government has consistently out spent what it has taken in for decades.

So while we made wholesale changes in 2006 and 2008 those changes were made because of the direction this country was moving in. People have seen that those changes have only increased those very same problems, thus you had the 2010 elections, and in My opinion you are going to see whole sale changes again in 2012.

One thing is sure, we have seen no fiscally conservative, in either party for a long time... but IMO we are moving in that direction, this recession has awoken the people of America, now that they have been awoken, politicians better take heed and do what is right, or expect their stay in office to be short.

While I will defend Bush from the far left, that can do no better then to blame him for everything they can think of to blame him for, I can't in all fairness blame Obama for everything this country is going through at this time either. Do I agree with his policies …. not at all.... has he improved anything … in my opinion no he hasn't, people agree and are sending him messages left and right, and he isn't listening. If he continues not to listen, they will send him one final message at the end of 2012. All that aside, we are were we are because both parties failed miserably.
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Very well stated and I agree!
 
Ikari said:
Functionally, they are quite similar. You have some little superficial differences; but overall incredibly similar.
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Well, that's your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion. Even if it's wrong.
 
LesGovt said:
Well, that's your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion. Even if it's wrong.
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I don't necessarily see how it's wrong. Both serve the same sort of folk. We're pandering to Wall Street and Banks and corporations which donate sufficiently to the party. Both did that well. Both are large government politicians, both are big war government politicians, both have a certain belief in the authority of government over the rights and liberties of the individual. I find them to be remarkably similar. What did we get with Obama that we would not have gotten with Bush? Maybe healthcare; but that thing crashed and burned and all Obama's plan comes down to is a handout to the insurance companies. Much like Meidcade Part D was Bush giving a handout to the pharmaceutical companies. Bush, Obama, Republican, Democrat....peas in a pod.
 
I didn't believe that McCain would be any different on the important issues than Obama which is why I didn't vote for either one.
 
Ikari said:
I don't necessarily see how it's wrong. Both serve the same sort of folk. We're pandering to Wall Street and Banks and corporations which donate sufficiently to the party. Both did that well. Both are large government politicians, both are big war government politicians, both have a certain belief in the authority of government over the rights and liberties of the individual. I find them to be remarkably similar. What did we get with Obama that we would not have gotten with Bush? Maybe healthcare; but that thing crashed and burned and all Obama's plan comes down to is a handout to the insurance companies. Much like Meidcade Part D was Bush giving a handout to the pharmaceutical companies. Bush, Obama, Republican, Democrat....peas in a pod.
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Oh my! Herman Cain is correct. We need to learn to lighten up a bit. I guess I should have put a smiley after my miniature comments.
 
1Perry said:
I didn't believe that McCain would be any different on the important issues than Obama which is why I didn't vote for either one.
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Aha! Now we know who to blame for the Obama presidency!!!
 
LesGovt said:
Aha! Now we know who to blame for the Obama presidency!!!
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My reasoning was the same as 1Perry's. I saw very little functional difference between McCain and Obama and the rest of the status quo. I voted for neither of them, and less one of the main parties puts up someone spectacular; I am not likely to support another Republicrat candidate.
 
lpast said:
Seems Obama not strongly supporting israel has come back to haunt him....the orthodox jews which have a huge community in this district voted for the GOP.
This does not bode well for Obama...if the jews abandon him...they are some of his staunchest supporters and donors. I am ALL FOR total support of Israel.

Republican wins Democratic New York House seat - The Washington Post


Bob Turner, the winner, cast the election as a referendum on Obama’s stewardship of the economy and, in the state’s Ninth Congressional District, which has a large population of Orthodox Jewish voters, the president’s position on Israel.
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If a republican got elected anywhere in New York it is most likely because he is a liberal and there will not be any changes from before.
 
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