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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It is what it is, the two party system. If you want to change it then do it from the grass roots not the top down. It is easy to blame the two party system that we have today but until you change it, all third party supporters are doing is whining.
    At least I'll be trying unlike all the lazy asses stuck in the two party mentality.

    My conscious will be clean in who I vote for. If the two party lemmings want to drive this country into the ground, they will do so without my support or cooperation.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

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    If the two party lemmings want to drive this country into the ground, they will do so without my support or cooperation.
    I'd at least offer them some lead.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, we also vote for our best alternative candidate. Remember when you said that? I'm sorry that the Republocrats have not fielded that best alternative candidate. So I guess we'll continue with our "spoiler" votes and you can continue to lose until you put up someone better.

    Just don't sit there and think that you're actually changing the status quo by supporting the status quo. That's just silly.
    That is your opinion but the reality is mathematically a third party doesn't have a chance and the country will continue to elect people like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

    Your approach is very naive and the result of youth, sorry. My 65 years of age says differently.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    At least I'll be trying unlike all the lazy asses stuck in the two party mentality.

    My conscious will be clean in who I vote for. If the two party lemmings want to drive this country into the ground, they will do so without my support or cooperation.
    Your conscience will be clear but you don't understand the ramifications of your vote. The numbers just don't support a third party candidate and until you change the minds of the people from the grassroots you will continue to have a clear conscience as you watch your country being destroyed.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is your opinion but the reality is mathematically a third party doesn't have a chance and the country will continue to elect people like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

    Your approach is very naive and the result of youth, sorry. My 65 years of age says differently.
    Your approach is to just insult me. I'm sorry, I have thought through this quite well. It is not "naive", that's just some stupid ass argument you have to try to dismiss claims without addressing them. Maybe you should be a politician. There is NO WAY to affect the system from the inside. It will only respond to OUTSIDE force. Third parties are that force. A third party does not have to win to be effective, it just needs to consistently steal votes predominately from one branch of the Republocrats. If it does that, it prevents that branch from winning and if that branch wishes to regain power it then must appease the third party voters to win them back. And THAT is how you servo the system. You may think third parties insignificant, but due to the nearly 50/50 split of votes for the Republocrats it amplifies the effect by allowing third parties to effectively interact with the system through the noise instead of pure vote number.

    Your 65 years of age may say differently, but that doesn't mean you're right. Age doesn't mean you're right.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your conscience will be clear but you don't understand the ramifications of your vote. The numbers just don't support a third party candidate and until you change the minds of the people from the grassroots you will continue to have a clear conscience as you watch your country being destroyed.
    No, I don't think YOU understand the ramifications of our vote. Appease us or lose, that's your choice.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Your approach is to just insult me. I'm sorry, I have thought through this quite well. It is not "naive", that's just some stupid ass argument you have to try to dismiss claims without addressing them. Maybe you should be a politician. There is NO WAY to affect the system from the inside. It will only respond to OUTSIDE force. Third parties are that force. A third party does not have to win to be effective, it just needs to consistently steal votes predominately from one branch of the Republocrats. If it does that, it prevents that branch from winning and if that branch wishes to regain power it then must appease the third party voters to win them back. And THAT is how you servo the system. You may think third parties insignificant, but due to the nearly 50/50 split of votes for the Republocrats it amplifies the effect by allowing third parties to effectively interact with the system through the noise instead of pure vote number.

    Your 65 years of age may say differently, but that doesn't mean you're right. Age doesn't mean you're right.
    With age comes experience, you will find that out as you grow older. Providing you with logic and common sense may be an insult to you but that isn't the intent.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, I don't think YOU understand the ramifications of our vote. Appease us or lose, that's your choice.
    What are you doing on a message board daily instead of getting out there and making a difference? Sounds like a political science class project

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your conscience will be clear but you don't understand the ramifications of your vote. The numbers just don't support a third party candidate and until you change the minds of the people from the grassroots you will continue to have a clear conscience as you watch your country being destroyed.
    The country has been on a course to ruin at the helms of both Dem and Rep sorry.

    The only reason there isn't a viable third party is people like you who are fooled into believing it can't happen. Many wonderful things have happened in this country despite people saying it would be impossible.

    I choose to actually do something to change it rather than grease the track for a Dem or Rep. I didn't leave the two party system, the two party system left me and I will no longer support it.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is your opinion but the reality is mathematically a third party doesn't have a chance and the country will continue to elect people like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

    Your approach is very naive and the result of youth, sorry. My 65 years of age says differently.
    It is also a reality that a third party on the right will harm the chances of the Republican Party to win elections. That seems to be your major reason for your stance.
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