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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

TacticalEvilDan said:
Right about the time you get that NY-9 wasn't about Obama.
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If that is what you want to believe, so be it, nothing is going to change your mind including media discussions with people in the District and the fact that Turner ran against the Obama record and won.
 
Conservative said:
The majority in the District voted against the Obama agenda and he only way Obama wins is with a third party candidate on the ballot.
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Yep, there's no other reason a Republican could ever lose.....just like Nader is the only reason Gore could have lost.

When you gave them your capacity for independent thought, did the Republicans at least pay you well?
 
Conservative said:
Right, Conservatives buy votes by allowing people to keep their own money whereas liberals redistribute money from the producers to the non producers.
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Oh, if only that were true -- but it's not.

Conservative said:
That is what I keep hearing except that Wall Street and the Bankers gave more to Obama in 2008 than to McCain.
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Way to respond to only part of what I said. :lol:

Conservative said:
It doesn't matter which one because one of them will be the candidate and one will beat Obama. they will run on his record and it is going to be the dirtiest race in U.S. History as those dependent on Obama and someone else will be fighting like hell to keep their gravy train going.
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So, in other words, there are no specifics or plans from the Republicans, so all they've got is slinging mud at Obama. Got it.
 
Conservative said:
Are you telling me that the majority vote didn't go against the Obama candidate? You look at the bottomline and make the determination that this was a referendum for Obama when both the Republican and T.E.A. Party Candidate ran against him. The majority in the District voted against the Obama agenda and he only way Obama wins is with a third party candidate on the ballot. Happened in both NY 23 and NY 26.
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Wow, you're seriously arguing that a win was in fact a loss. Unbelievable. :lol:
 
Conservative said:
If that is what you want to believe, so be it, nothing is going to change your mind including media discussions with people in the District and the fact that Turner ran against the Obama record and won.
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I've listed several specific reasons why the Democrat lost that race. You retort is that the media says it (even though that's hypocrisy coming from you), the loser said it (when of course he'd blame anyone other than himself) and the winner said it (when of course he wants to frame the victory as one against the most powerful man in American politics, rather than a win over a complete idiot).

Weak.
 
rocket88 said:
Yep, there's no other reason a Republican could ever lose.....just like Nader is the only reason Gore could have lost.

When you gave them your capacity for independent thought, did the Republicans at least pay you well?
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Rocket, results matter to me, not rhetoric. Don't tell me what you are going to do and fail then ask for my support. Obama lied to the American people and you are willing to give him another chance. To this day you and others blame Bush but seems the majority are beyond that with the 40% JAR of Obama and 33% approval of his handling of the economy. Continue to buy the smile and the rhetoric while ignoring the results.
 
Conservative said:
It continues to amaze me the loyalty Obama supporters have to his failed economic agenda which to me shows that it really isn't about compassion on the part of liberals, it is all about changing this country towards a European socialist model that supporters don't believe will affect them. When they find out it will be too late. Typical liberal spin that now it won't be about unemployment and the economy which of course flies in the face of Obama JAR and the results in NY 9
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Oh, if only that were true -- but it's not.



Way to respond to only part of what I said. :lol:



So, in other words, there are no specifics or plans from the Republicans, so all they've got is slinging mud at Obama. Got it.
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Right now the challenge is to get the nomination, there will be plenty of time for specifics. Right now it is the Obama record that many are ignoring.
 
Conservative said:
Right now the challenge is to get the nomination, there will be plenty of time for specifics. Right now it is the Obama record that many are ignoring.
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You can't complain about people who ignore Obama's record while ignoring the stunning lack of specifics coming from the Republicans.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
I've listed several specific reasons why the Democrat lost that race. You retort is that the media says it (even though that's hypocrisy coming from you), the loser said it (when of course he'd blame anyone other than himself) and the winner said it (when of course he wants to frame the victory as one against the most powerful man in American politics, rather than a win over a complete idiot).

Weak.
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You can continue to give a list but many of those items on that list are Obama agenda items and since the Districts elect people to go to Congress in support of or against that agenda, NY 9 said NO and sent someone to D.C. to vote against the Obama agenda.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
You can't complain about people who ignore Obama's record while ignoring the stunning lack of specifics coming from the Republicans.
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Doubt seriously if you are paying to anything the Republicans have stated. Romney gave a specific plan to create jobs and grow the economy. Perry has created jobs in TX. Bachmann has offered specific proposals, and Cain has his 999 plan. I guess you missed those as you apparently no interest in actually getting facts vs. spouting rhetoric.
 
Conservative said:
You can continue to give a list but many of those items on that list are Obama agenda items and since the Districts elect people to go to Congress in support of or against that agenda, NY 9 said NO and sent someone to D.C. to vote against the Obama agenda.
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That's great and all, but those weren't the chief points of contention that came up in the actual campaign between the actual candidates in the actual district where the actual race was happening. The chief points which actually came up in the actual ads and press releases were primarily the ones I mentioned.
 
Conservative said:
Rocket, results matter to me, not rhetoric.
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Until a Republican wins. Then it's all about the rhetoric. Notice Bush's results? Not so great, but that never mattered to you.

Two failures in a row. How's that for buying results over rhetoric?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
That's great and all, but those weren't the chief points of contention that came up in the actual campaign between the actual candidates in the actual district where the actual race was happening. The chief points which actually came up in the actual ads and press releases were primarily the ones I mentioned.
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Seems to me that you continue to buy the rhetoric that Congressional elections and special elections are local when the reality is no Freshman Congress person can do anything for the local community thus are there for one purpose only to vote for or against the proposals presented in Congress which are either for or against the President.
 
Conservative said:
Well stated and a more intelligent response than normal from a liberal
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It's better than yours, when you say you care about results when we all know you would vote for Bush in a second if you could. The same Bush that led this country to near economic collapse in 2008.
 
rocket88 said:
Until a Republican wins. Then it's all about the rhetoric. Notice Bush's results? Not so great, but that never mattered to you.

Two failures in a row. How's that for buying results over rhetoric?
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Bush's results were a lot different than posted. Too many ignore non partisan data showing the Bush results and buy the liberal rhetoric. Results always mattered to me and I judge Bush on 8 years not 2008. Bush didn't have overwhelming control of Congress when he took office in 2001 like Obama had. Obama has had over 2 1/2 years, most of which was with overwhelming numbers and generated the results we have today. He is either incompetent or an ideologue knowing exactly what he is doing which is to destroy individual incentive and individual wealth creation by promoting class warfare.
 
Conservative said:
Bush's results were a lot different than posted. Too many ignore non partisan data showing the Bush results and buy the liberal rhetoric. Results always mattered to me and I judge Bush on 8 years not 2008. Bush didn't have overwhelming control of Congress when he took office in 2001 like Obama had. Obama has had over 2 1/2 years, most of which was with overwhelming numbers and generated the results we have today. He is either incompetent or an ideologue knowing exactly what he is doing which is to destroy individual incentive and individual wealth creation by promoting class warfare.
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Obama never had overwhelming control of congress because the GOP decided they would filibuster everything.
 
pbrauer said:
It's better than yours, when you say you care about results when we all know you would vote for Bush in a second if you could. The same Bush that led this country to near economic collapse in 2008.
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Pb, I took a civics course and know who controlled the legislative process in 2007-2008 when we went into recession and the financial collapse. I keep asking what Democrats did to prevent that collapse and I see nothing then but I do see what is going on today so the problems continue indicating that the Democrats are doing today what they did in 2007-2008, making things worse.
 
Deuce said:
Obama never had overwhelming control of congress because the GOP decided they would filibuster everything.
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Oh, I see, so re-wrting history now? what was the Democrat numbers in 2009-2010. Do you know what a filibuster proof Senate is?
 
Conservative said:
Perry has created jobs in TX.
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Perry was dealt an excellent economic hand and his "job creation" was to stay out of the way long enough to avoid screwing up the good thing he'd been handed.

Conservative said:
Cain has his 999 plan.
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His plan seems to be:
  • Make friend with everybody
  • Eliminate a bunch of taxes
  • Replace the progressive income tax with the Fair Tax
  • Add a national sales tax
http://www.hermancain.com/images/economicgrowth.pdf

That sounds really neato, except that he doesn't have any plan for actually enacting any of this, much less what kind of spending he's going to pitch out the window in order to avoid the deficit this will undoubtedly create, much less what his plan is for winning those spending cuts.

Conservative said:
Romney gave a specific plan to create jobs and grow the economy.
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Conservative said:
Bachmann has offered specific proposals
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Romney's and Bachmann's plans are even less specific than Cain's.

Conservative said:
I guess you missed those as you apparently no interest in actually getting facts vs. spouting rhetoric.
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Sorry, I guess I should've been more specific and asked for a realistic plan. Hell, the Republicans could've based their plan on stealing leprechaun gold and you could technically say they have a plan. :lol:
 
Conservative said:
Seems to me that you continue to buy the rhetoric that Congressional elections and special elections are local when the reality is no Freshman Congress person can do anything for the local community thus are there for one purpose only to vote for or against the proposals presented in Congress which are either for or against the President.
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Those elections are run locally on local media and decided by local voters. Most of the promises made by the candidates deal specifically with local issues. When a Representative doesn't have much power, they latch onto things done by more powerful Representatives that can be painted as beneficial to their local constituents. When a Representative has a lot of power, they do things that are beneficial to their local constituents. Sounds pretty local to me.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Perry was dealt an excellent economic hand and his "job creation" was to stay out of the way long enough to avoid screwing up the good thing he'd been handed.



His plan seems to be:
  • Make friend with everybody
  • Eliminate a bunch of taxes
  • Replace the progressive income tax with the Fair Tax
  • Add a national sales tax
http://www.hermancain.com/images/economicgrowth.pdf

That sounds really neato, except that he doesn't have any plan for actually enacting any of this, much less what kind of spending he's going to pitch out the window in order to avoid the deficit this will undoubtedly create, much less what his plan is for winning those spending cuts.




Romney's and Bachmann's plans are even less specific than Cain's.



Sorry, I guess I should've been more specific and asked for a realistic plan. Hell, the Republicans could've based their plan on stealing leprechaun gold and you could technically say they have a plan. :lol:
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I doubt seriously that you care what the Republican Plans are as you ignored that Obama has failed to deliver on any promised results from his plan. Whoever the Republicans nominate will be better than the current occupant of the Wh as the results show. When the nominate process is complete then you can compare the GOP Plan to the Obama results although I doubt that will matter. Obama has a great smile, reads a good speech, seems to be a good family person but is better suited as a community agitator or holding a Harvard faculty conference in the faculty lounge.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Perry was dealt an excellent economic hand and his "job creation" was to stay out of the way long enough to avoid screwing up the good thing he'd been handed.



His plan seems to be:
  • Make friend with everybody
  • Eliminate a bunch of taxes
  • Replace the progressive income tax with the Fair Tax
  • Add a national sales tax
http://www.hermancain.com/images/economicgrowth.pdf

That sounds really neato, except that he doesn't have any plan for actually enacting any of this, much less what kind of spending he's going to pitch out the window in order to avoid the deficit this will undoubtedly create, much less what his plan is for winning those spending cuts.




Romney's and Bachmann's plans are even less specific than Cain's.



Sorry, I guess I should've been more specific and asked for a realistic plan. Hell, the Republicans could've based their plan on stealing leprechaun gold and you could technically say they have a plan. :lol:
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How is that relevant when ther eare two FRESHMAN candidates for the House. what are they going to bring back to the District?
 
Conservative said:
Oh, I see, so re-wrting history now? what was the Democrat numbers in 2009-2010. Do you know what a filibuster proof Senate is?
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When did Obama ever consistently control 60 votes in the Senate? Sure, he was able to barter to get 60 votes on a number of occasions -- but he had to barter, that majority wasn't his to command.
 
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