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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Shows once again how un Presidential Obama is as he once again proves to be a Community agitator. welcome to 1938 and Nazi Germany. Big brother is watching. How about it, Pb, is this what you support?

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Isn't it great to be part of a party with zero power and the inability to enact anything?
    Not really. You have to fight for every scrap you can get. But it's a fight that's worthwhile. I can't support the Republocrat offerings, those are not my best alternative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    As I stated you are very naive when it comes to government and how it works.
    It's rather presumptuous of you to claim you know what I know. I've participated in politics on some level since high school. In fact, used to be quite the Republican supporter. They changed their ideology and it no longer matches mine. Why should I support an ideology that I don't agree with?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It may make you feel good but it makes you basically irrelevant. Like it or not we have two major parties.
    Yes we do have two major parties. Additionally, the way by which we conduct our elections is stable with 2 major parties; so it's likely we will always have 2 major parties and a handful of smaller third parties. It doesn't mean, however, that those two main parties must always remain the same main parties. They can be switched out. But to cause that instability and eventual switching, you have to support third parties and use those as a "control" over the main parties.

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    If you want to change that you work from the grassroots up not the top down.
    And as I said, I do.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

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    Shows once again how un Presidential Obama is as he once again proves to be a Community agitator. welcome to 1938 and Nazi Germany. Big brother is watching. How about it, Pb, is this what you support?

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    Big Brother has been active for awhile now. Obama is just growing what was already there. The Republocrats in general are interested in Big Brother tactics.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Isn't it great to be part of a party with zero power and the inability to enact anything? As I stated you are very naive when it comes to government and how it works. It may make you feel good but it makes you basically irrelevant. Like it or not we have two major parties. If you want to change that you work from the grassroots up not the top down. Democrats are going to control 40% of the voters so you have 60% to work with and when you apply the number that will vote for a Republican you leave yourself with about 30% and that isn't enough to win national elections. You need to peel off some of those Democrats first and then some Republicans. Until that happens you have basically nothing.
    it kinda is great knowing you are doing all you can within your realm. Ive equated being a libertarian to peeing your pants in a dark suit...its warm and wet for a while...no one really notices...and at after a while you feel cold, wet, and sticky. But really...is that worse than supporting either major party? They pick you up at midnight for a booty call at election time. They tell you they love you and care about you to get what they want from you. They screw you in the back seat then kick you to the curb. Yep...THATS better...

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No matter how you spin it this is a Democrat disaster and bodes poorly for the future as it should. It is time to focus on the Obama rhetoric not the Obama rhetoric.
    Keep spinning. Every time you guys flip a seat, it means that "the whole country is going to start voting Republican." It's one seat in a special election, and like you said, this guy ran a year ago and lost. Everybody already knew his name.

    It was about Weiner just like Jimmy Carter was about Nixon, and Bush (to some extent) was about Clinton, and Obama was about Bush. None of them had to actually run against the guy they beat.


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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    it kinda is great knowing you are doing all you can within your realm. Ive equated being a libertarian to peeing your pants in a dark suit...its warm and wet for a while...no one really notices...and at after a while you feel cold, wet, and sticky. But really...is that worse than supporting either major party? They pick you up at midnight for a booty call at election time. They tell you they love you and care about you to get what they want from you. They screw you in the back seat then kick you to the curb. Yep...THATS better...
    To a degree, but it's also where you can find the most control if you aggregate it properly. Election cycles essentially come down to a 50/50 split and noise. The noise is the determinate factor in winning elections; the split is constant. Affect the noise, affect the outcome. You can force parties one way or another by not voting for them and voting third party instead. You can essentially make it so that one party cannot win, and if they want to regain their power then they have to change in order to recapture the lost votes. On some level the childish "it's your fault we have Obama Care" arguments are born from that dynamic. But it's not my fault we have it, change the candidates to recapture my vote and you can win again. Don't, and deal with the consequences.

    It's funny on one hand you have one part of the major parties saying you can have no effect on the system and you're wasting your vote and whatever other arguments they want to come up with to marginalize the independent/third party votes. On the other hand, you have another part of that major party system telling us that we caused Obama to win. So what is it? Can we have no effect or did we cause Obama to win? If it's truly the later, and you don't want Obama to win, then you have to produce a candidate which can recapture the lost votes.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Obamacare is a debacle, but on my scale of givea****-o-meter it rates about a three. You cant blame health care that hasnt even kicked in for consistently high unemployment, for illegal immigration, and for a 15.5 trillion dollar debt. You keep citing Obamacare like a broken record as if Oh...THATS what ****ed the country up. Hell...Id blame dem and rep politicians for all the problems if they were lying about who and what they are. I dont blame them any more. I blame the blind ideologues that go into the polling booth and keep sending them back. And any time I see an ideologue from either the dem or rep side blaming ANYTHING on Libertarians I laugh. Its the ethical equivalent of blaming the Tea Party folks for all the country's problems when in fact it is the dems and reps that have driven the country over a cliff. Your sniffer is off. You are barking up a palm tree looking for possums. You are makin lots of noise...but you aint gonna find them.
    I see that you are very proud of your vote that helped ObamaCare become a reality. Okay.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Keep spinning. Every time you guys flip a seat, it means that "the whole country is going to start voting Republican." It's one seat in a special election, and like you said, this guy ran a year ago and lost. Everybody already knew his name.

    It was about Weiner just like Jimmy Carter was about Nixon, and Bush (to some extent) was about Clinton, and Obama was about Bush. None of them had to actually run against the guy they beat.
    How many seats have you flipped since 2008? If you believe what you say, carry on, you are doing a great job as your attitude should lead to a filibuster proof Senate for the Republicans in 2012 along with the WH.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    did we cause Obama to win?
    You helped. And, that helped us get ObamaCare. Be proud of your vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I see that you are very proud of your vote that helped ObamaCare become a reality. Okay.
    Yep...and you are presenting yourself with the same credibility and viability as any other single issue voter. I hope at the very least you are a tea party supporter

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