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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    A little history on NY 9

    New York's 9th Congressional District

    1980: Geraldine Ferraro wins over Republican opposition by 65% to 35%.
    1982: Geraldine Ferraro wins over Republican opposition 79% to 21%.
    1984: Thomas Manton wins over Republican opposition 57% to 43%.
    1986: Thomas Manton wins over Republican opposition 74% to 26%.
    1988: Thomas Manton wins with no Republican opposition, 100% to 0%.
    1990: Thomas Manton wins over Republican opposition 72.5% to 27.5%.
    1992: Chuck Schumer wins with no Republican opposition, 100% to 0%
    1994: Chuck Schumer wins over Republican opposition 75% to 25%.
    1996: Chuck Schumer wins over Republican opposition 79% to 21%.
    1998: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition 73% to 27%.
    2000: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition 70% to 30%.
    2002: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition 67% to 33%.
    2004: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition 73% to 27%.
    2006: Anthony Weiner wins with no Republican opposition, 100% to 0%.
    2008: Anthony Weiner wins with no Republican opposition, 100% to 0%.
    2010: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition (Bob Turner, btw), 64% to 36%.


    From 1980 to 2010, inclusive, the average Democrat received 78% of the vote vs. 22% for the Republican.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Depends...are the 'questions' being posed hypothetical questions? And isnt the job of a senator a federal position? And isnt illegal immigration a pertinent topic for a senate candidate?
    If asking questions is how you answer questions, I shall take the same tactic: What has Obama done about immigration? Who has management authority for ICE? The Senate or the President?

    You and Ikari are grasping at straws in an attempt to deflect the argument away from your votes that helped to cause "ObamaCare." Sorry, that won't work.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    You have not turned the tables. You have gone from the ridiculous to the sublime.

    I am one vote in the primary. I voted for someone that I thought would beat Obama and had he won the primaries, he may or may not have done better than McCain. I was consistent in attempting to defeat Obama. You were not. I voted for McCain in the general election. You did not. McCain had a chance of winning. Your candidate, assuming you voted, had no chance. Again, if people like you didn't vote in the general election or voted 3rd party, all of you share the blame for "ObamaCare." You can deny it. You can make up silly arguments. You can howl at the moon. Facts are facts. It's your choice. Your vote. Your "ObamaCare." Live with it.
    My goal was not to "defeat Obama" as I saw McCain and Obama as essentially the same. We may not have had "Obama Care", but I also don't think that an honest and intellectual debate on nationalized health care is a bad thing. My goal is to not perpetuate the breaking of our government, the polarization of our political field, and ultimate destruction of the Republic. And in those terms, there is no way I can support the standard Republocrat offerings.

    As I said, choose a better candidate and I may be able to vote for them. Until then, you work only to alienate the independent and third party voters even more and only serve to have the other side win "easier" or whatever. If my actions can be attributed to Obama winning, then so can yours. If you were really interested in making sure you could defeat Obama (and boy did you overestimate McCain, eh?), then you would be searching for better candidates and candidates who can easily reach outside the boundaries of the GOP to capture the independent and third party voters. Like it or not, we're who you have to pander to. Of the established voters, those who vote party lines are fairly well split. You don't need to pander to those guys, they're like you. Vote for the R or D regardless of class or caliber. Each election comes down to essentially a 50/50 split plus noise, and the noise is what pushes one side over or under. And guess who composes the noise. The independents and third party voters.

    Appease me and win my vote, you'll win easier. Don't and you won't.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    You and Ikari are grasping at straws in an attempt to deflect the argument away from your votes that helped to cause "ObamaCare." Sorry, that won't work.
    I guess you should have brought forth a better candidate that could have appeased Vance and me. Then we wouldn't have Obama Care. Guess you ****ed up.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Here's the results of a few more elections that Americans are not happy with Obama and his policies. Americans overwhelmingly voted Dem Representatives out of office in 2010.

    Well that statement goes to my point. They voted out the incumbents. What you want to present is not just Democrat incumbents being voted out, but also Republican incumbents keeping their job.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    [QUOTE=Ikari;1059796785]I guess you should have brought forth a better candidate that could have appeased Vance and me. Then we wouldn't have Obama Care. Guess you ****ed up.[/QUOTEe]

    Elections are about choices not the perfect candidate. You didn't run so therefore you didn't have that perfect candidate. You are left with voting for the best alternative. I didn't like McCain but rather than sit on the sidelines and complain about the end result I voted for McCain to keep Obama out of the WH. Problem is I live in TX and my vote didn't matter as he lost the state by over a million votes. Those looking for the perfect candidate were countered by a majority that elected Obama. Thanks for your principles, we are in the mess we are today because of those principles.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well that statement goes to my point. They voted out the incumbents. What you want to present is not just Democrat incumbents being voted out, but also Republican incumbents keeping their job.
    I guess you don't follow election results too closely.

    The 2010 United States House of Representatives elections, also known as the 2010 midterm elections, were held on November 2, 2010, at the midpoint of President Barack Obama's first term in office. Voters of the 50 U.S. states chose 435 U.S. Representatives. Voters of the U.S. territories, commonwealths, and the District of Columbia chose their non-voting delegates. [6]

    Republicans regained control of the chamber they had lost in the 2006 midterm elections, picking up a net total of 63 seats and erasing the gains Democrats made in 2006 and 2008. Although the sitting U.S. President's party usually loses seats in a midterm election, the 2010 election resulted in the highest loss of a party in a House midterm election since 1938.[7][8] The Republican Party gained control of the most House seats since 1946. [9] Republicans gained the most in New York state where they picked up six seats, defeating five incumbents and winning an open Democratic district. The heavy Democratic Party losses were attributed to anger with President Obama, strong opposition to the new health insurance bill that was commonly called "Obamacare", and the weak economy (unemployment averaged 9.6% for the year.
    United States House of Representatives elections, 2010 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    My goal was not to "defeat Obama" as I saw McCain and Obama as essentially the same. We may not have had "Obama Care", but I also don't think that an honest and intellectual debate on nationalized health care is a bad thing. My goal is to not perpetuate the breaking of our government, the polarization of our political field, and ultimate destruction of the Republic. And in those terms, there is no way I can support the standard Republocrat offerings.

    As I said, choose a better candidate and I may be able to vote for them. Until then, you work only to alienate the independent and third party voters even more and only serve to have the other side win "easier" or whatever. If my actions can be attributed to Obama winning, then so can yours. If you were really interested in making sure you could defeat Obama (and boy did you overestimate McCain, eh?), then you would be searching for better candidates and candidates who can easily reach outside the boundaries of the GOP to capture the independent and third party voters. Like it or not, we're who you have to pander to. Of the established voters, those who vote party lines are fairly well split. You don't need to pander to those guys, they're like you. Vote for the R or D regardless of class or caliber. Each election comes down to essentially a 50/50 split plus noise, and the noise is what pushes one side over or under. And guess who composes the noise. The independents and third party voters.

    Appease me and win my vote, you'll win easier. Don't and you won't.
    Please let me know when I get to choose the candidate. And, you keep on voting for people who have no chance and we will end up with more statist crap. The Tea Party folks have done far more to work for change than all of your morally superior votes for nobodies. They are the example you should be following. Your choice. Your vote. Your ObamaCare. Live with it.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obama didn't win that election but misinformation did. Anyone 55 and older wouldn't experience any change at all but that fact escaped the voters.
    Why would anyone 55 and older wish the younger ones would have to pay more for their health care when tihey retired? As a general rule they didn't, this was a big miscalculation by Ryan an the Republicans. The plan was nothing more than crony capitalism, just like Medicare Parts C & D was.


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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Elections are about choices not the perfect candidate. You didn't run so therefore you didn't have that perfect candidate. You are left with voting for the best alternative.
    This is not only true, but my entire point. You have to vote for the candidate you feel is best. The one who will best represent you, the one who best echos your political ideologies. That was neither McCain nor Obama last cycle. I voted third party because that's were that candidate lives for me. You may think the Republicans serve your cause better. Fair enough, vote for them. But it's not MY FAULT if Obama gets elected over McCain, I didn't vote for either because neither were the best alternative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I didn't like McCain but rather than sit on the sidelines and complain about the end result I voted for McCain to keep Obama out of the WH. Problem is I live in TX and my vote didn't matter as he lost the state by over a million votes. Those looking for the perfect candidate were countered by a majority that elected Obama. Thanks for your principles, we are in the mess we are today because of those principles.
    Sorry, I want the system to work properly, not pander to the increasingly polarized political playing field. We aren't in the mess we are today because of my principles. We are in the mess today because the Republocrats cannot field my best alternative were as other parties can. It's all about free market competition to draw a correlary. You must compete for my vote, my vote will go to the best alternative. If you can field that, you'll get my vote. If you can't, you won't. That simple.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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