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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Got it! You would rather vote for someone who cannot possibly win and who will have no impact on the resulting Administration rather than voting for someone, who could.
    You are correct. I am done voting for the lesser of two evils. Each election cycle we've ended up with someone worse because we vote lesser of two evils. Maybe we don't end up with the most incompetent, but it's a downward spiral. It's pointless and it's risking the very future of the Republic. My vote, my choice. Deal with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I'm glad I don't have to explain why I, in effect, sat on the sidelines and allowed that to happen. I guess we all have our crosses to bear.
    I voted my conscious, for the person I felt was best qualified for the job. Sorry if I discriminate along performance lines. If you want me to support your side, you're just going to have to put up a quality candidate. Till that time, I'm not going to vote for your guy. Someone else may get in, but that's not my fault either. I didn't vote for them. I vote for the one who I feel can do the best job and who will best proliferate the Republic. That has been as of late not the Republocrats. The Republocrats are the party of the status quo, and the status quo currently is broken.

    You will not change the status quo by supporting the status quo. To think so is silly.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think this was a complete crap argument with nothing of substance to back it up. You're essentially saying that we have to vote Republocrat. That's bull****. Voting for the lesser of two evils (and Obama was that lesser last time) leaves you with evil. The system as set up does not work if I vote for someone I don't like only to keep someone I like less out. It works when I vote for the person I have the most confidence in, who best echos my own political platform, and one whom I would be comfortable with lending my authority and sovereignty to. Sorry if the Republicans can't field such a candidate, but I won't vote for them until they do. Maybe you should stop putting up crappy candidates and then I'd support them. But I'm not going to support any candidate I don't feel would be good for the Republic. Neither Obama nor McCain fit that bill. I'm done voting for the lesser of two evils and watching the Republic suffer because of it. My vote goes to the best candidate, the one who I feel will do the best job regardless of "chances of winning" or other BS crap non-thinkers try to throw out there to stop people from exercising their right to vote for the best candidate and instead accept the lesser of two evils.

    I want the system more open, not less. Anything else is retarded and a serious threat to the future of the Republic.
    Where did I say that you cannot vote for anyone other than a Republican or a Democrat? I did not say you had to vote for anyone. If you like "ObamaCare" and programs like it, you are free to continue to vote for whomever you wish.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You are correct. I am done voting for the lesser of two evils. Each election cycle we've ended up with someone worse because we vote lesser of two evils. Maybe we don't end up with the most incompetent, but it's a downward spiral. It's pointless and it's risking the very future of the Republic. My vote, my choice. Deal with it.
    Again, you are free to vote for whomever you wish. I have never said otherwise. Just remember that there are real-life consequences to your vote. Your vote. Your choice. Your "ObamaCare. Deal with it.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I am looking at the national polls, Gallup Today, showing Obama with an approval rating of 40% and pointing out that Obama won with 52% of the vote. Then there is the NY 9 race with 4-1 Democrats and a Republican candidate running against the Obama record which the Democrat candidate supported. The Republican took the election 54-46% and was the first Republican that won in that district since the early 1920's. That says a lot, JAR down 12% and losing a 4-1 Democrat District. Love the liberal spin on that one.
    Liberal spin? Come on...... you are the one spining.

    Yes Obama won by 52% of the vote... but you know just as well as I do, the % of vote matters jack****. It is the electoral college.

    Yes Obama's approval rating is at 40%, and it was over 50% not long ago and it will go up and down over the next year. Like it or not it is a poll of a few people and has a considerable margin of error.

    Yes the GOP won a Dem seat... wupti do. There can be many reasons for the change, and yes a "vote against Obama" could be one. But lets again look at the seat.

    The former holder of the seat resigned in disgrace. Normally when that happens and there is a new election, then the seat gets gobbled up by the other side.

    The district is heavily Jewish. A negative feedback on Obama's Israel policy could be a factor... or it could be a factor that the former holder of the seat was caught exposing himself, and that in orthodox Jewish circles (and other religions) is frowned upon.

    And then there is the "I hate Obama crowd". Can that be a factor? You betcha, especially if the "left" dont turn out to vote. And that brings me to another point... what was the turn-out and where was that turn-out? This can have a huge impact on things.. just as we saw in 2008, when the traditional no-show black population turned out in droves and tipped the balance in some areas.

    So it is not so simple as you and your GOP friends want it to be.....
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Again, you are free to vote for whomever you wish. I have never said otherwise. Just remember that there are real-life consequences to your vote. Your vote. Your choice. Your "ObamaCare. Deal with it.
    I didn't vote for "Obama Care", sorry. You can't lay it at my feet and try to elicit some form of guilt response. I didn't vote for them. I would not have voted for McCain either as he was just as bad, if not worse than, Obama. No matter what sort of silly argument you want to make, pretending I had something to do with Obama when I didn't support him, it's not true. All you're really trying to do is discourage third party voting, and don't pretend you weren't. To that I say "piss off". You want me to vote for your side, to support your candidate; put a quality candidate out there. Till then, the lesser of two evils is still evil.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I didn't vote for "Obama Care", sorry. You can't lay it at my feet and try to elicit some form of guilt response. I didn't vote for them. I would not have voted for McCain either as he was just as bad, if not worse than, Obama. No matter what sort of silly argument you want to make, pretending I had something to do with Obama when I didn't support him, it's not true. All you're really trying to do is discourage third party voting, and don't pretend you weren't. To that I say "piss off". You want me to vote for your side, to support your candidate; put a quality candidate out there. Till then, the lesser of two evils is still evil.
    I never said you voted for "ObamaCare." Had you and others like you had voted for McCain, we would not have "ObamaCare." Your vote. Your choice. Your "ObamaCare. Deal with it.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I never said you voted for "ObamaCare." Had you and others like you had voted for McCain, we would not have "ObamaCare." Your vote. Your choice. Your "ObamaCare. Deal with it.
    No, but you're trying to lay blame on me for having voted for a better candidate than your two evils. It's not my fault you didn't put up a better candidate. If you don't want the Democrats to win, if you don't want "Obama Care", then start putting up better candidates. Deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Those that don't think he has gone far enough are still going to vote for him. In NY 9 the 4-1 Democratic District went 54-46% for the Republican who ran against the Obama record. That is a signal that cannot be discounted.
    I agree they will still vote for him. They just arent going to poll positively for him during the campaign process. He isnt worried about winning their vote...he SHOULD be worried about the independents and the typical working citizen that is not an idealogue but identifies as a democrat. They wont vote against him/for a republican...they just wont bother voting.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    And, some others like you voted for the Libertarian candidate too. And many others sat at home because they could not see a difference. And, some even thought that Barack Obama was going to get this country on a good path to prosperity and good times. Unfortunately, the signs were there and all of you missed them or ignored them. You asked if I was proud to vote for a Retard. The answer is yes. I voted to stop Obama from becoming President. Now, because of those of you who did not vote for McCain, we have "ObamaCare." Would that have happened under a McCain Administration? No.
    The USSC will stop it just like they stopped McCain's attack on the Constitution.

    We have a President who apologizes for all of the time for the U.S. Would McCain do that? No. Hmmmm. Libertarian? Ron Paul? Maybe you would be pleased with the apologies. Oh well, I am not. Are you proud of doing nothing to stop that "ObamaCare?" I would be ashamed, but I understand that some do not care whether we have government run health care insurance or not.
    I voted to stop Obamacare in the 00's.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, but you're trying to lay blame on me for having voted for a better candidate than your two evils. It's not my fault you didn't put up a better candidate. If you don't want the Democrats to win, if you don't want "Obama Care", then start putting up better candidates. Deal with it.
    Last time I checked I did not choose who would run for office. Are you giving me that authority and do you even have the authority to give me that authority? My guess is that you do not; otherwise, you would have already used that authority to have only candidates of your choosing on the Republican and Democrat ballots. I know that I voted to prevent ObamaCare. I also know that you voted not to prevent ObamaCare. C'est la vie! Your vote. Your choice. Your "ObamaCare. Deal with it.

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