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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

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    Interesting however that those who claim that Turner was probably a liberal obviously ignored his stance on the issues, doesn't look liberal to me

    Issues
    Does he have a record of past votes to prove that he really supports those issues?
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

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    Those issues raised are the main ones affecting this country. He ran on those issues in a 4-1 Democrat controlled District. Another poster claimed that he was probably a liberal in this District which these issues show not to be the case.
    Again a handful of issues does not make someone a conservative. Besides that politicians run on "issues of the day" all the time. It doesn't mean they actually support those issues.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Does he have a record of past votes to prove that he really supports those issues?
    I don't believe Turner has held political office which may just be the right thing today.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again a handful of issues does not make someone a conservative. Besides that politicians run on "issues of the day" all the time. It doesn't mean they actually support those issues.
    You are missing the point, this is a 4-1 Democrat District that hasn't elected a Republican since the 1920's. this is a referendum on Obama and his policies and is sending shockwaves through the Democrat Party.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Oh puhlease! You think that Romney is the same as Obama? How about Perry? How about Bachmann? How about Gingrich? How about Paul? How about Santorum? How about Cain? You believe these people are the same as Obama? Is this why, Obama and each of them are the same, the liberals here are trying their best to denigrate all of these people? Surely, you jest.
    Romney wouldn't be too different, neither would Perry in all reality. Actually, that guy is a bit of a nut so there is some gamble there. Paul, no not at all. But he also is an outlier and also most likely won't win the nomination. If he did, I'd probably vote for him in the main election. As I said earlier, the Republicrats would have to put up an excellent candidate before I'd vote for them again. Their standard stock is...well, standard.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Then why don't you get someone elected to your liking, instead of just bitching all the time about the ones that are there. You're never happy. If libertarianism is so great, why none in the presidency?
    There are many hurdles to clear to be able to be recognized by the establishment. Rules to prevent the free competition of political ideals. Still, I do volunteer quite a bit particularly on local candidates to try to get names and information out to the general populace.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again a handful of issues does not make someone a conservative. Besides that politicians run on "issues of the day" all the time. It doesn't mean they actually support those issues.
    They look at the polls to see what concerns people. Craft a "message" to align those concerns with the politicians sponsors goals, if possible. Distribute said message through media which reaches their target demographic. If this is successful, they are elected and can get down to the real work for those who paid for their campaigns.

    Politicians generally spend more time campaigning than actually working.

    It now cost MILLIONS for anyone to get elected to Federal office.

    Who the hell does everybody think they work for? The ones who provide the millions they need to get elected, or the voters all that money is spent "convincing"?

    Look at what happens AFTER every election for you answer.

    NOBODY gets anything resembling what they voted for.

    Election investors? That's a different story.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    While that may be true, integrity goes a long way of which this President has none.
    I felt the same about McCain.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't believe Turner has held political office which may just be the right thing today.
    So in other words I'll believe it when I see it.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Oh puhlease! You think that Romney is the same as Obama? How about Perry? How about Bachmann? How about Gingrich? How about Paul? How about Santorum? How about Cain? You believe these people are the same as Obama? Is this why, Obama and each of them are the same, the liberals here are trying their best to denigrate all of these people? Surely, you jest.
    I'll give you Cain and Paul. Romney and Perry like Obama will say whatever they think the crowd wants to hear. Well, Bachmann is on her own. It's hard to tell what she might say.

    Gingrinch and Santorum both had their day in the spotlight and burned us. Gingrich on top of that completely lacks scruples.

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