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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

Ikari said:
I'm not going to vote for who I feel has a better chance of winning if that candidate is not the best alternative for me. That's all.

And at this point, I don't know if Bush was better than Gore. I may be saying right now with Gore what I say with Clinton. "Sure I hated him at the time, and thought he was the worst President in my life; but now he doesn't seem that bad".
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Again, you miss the point, I vote the better man of the two IMO not the man I think is going to win. I would never waste my vote on a third party candidate who is nothing more than a spoiler.
 
Conservative said:
Again, you miss the point, I vote the better man of the two IMO not the man I think is going to win. I would never waste my vote on a third party candidate who is nothing more than a spoiler.
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I will if that candidate better echos my own political platform than the two front runners. It's the only way to make the system work right.
 
Conservative said:
What does that have to do with the election? Bush had a lot of help in 2007-2008 with a Democrat Controlled Congress of which Obama was part..
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Are you serious? One year out of eight and it is all the Democrats fault?
 
winston53660;1059797630]Are you serious? One year out of eight and it is all the Democrats fault?
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that would be two years not one. Then of course there was Democrat control of the Senate in 2001 and all of 2002. Interesting how you ignore that reality
 
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Conservative said:
that would be two years not one. Then of course there was Democrat control of the Senate in 2001 and all of 2002. Interesting how you ignore that reality
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You posted this not me:

What does that have to do with the election? Bush had a lot of help in 2007-2008 with a Democrat Controlled Congress of which Obama was part..
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Are you trying to change your story now?
 
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VanceMack said:
Tell me the little line about the worlds smallest political quiz and thr 1 question on open borders wasnt supposed to be a little dig at 'real' libertarians. And for the record...have YOU taken it? Just how much a libertarian are you and how much of you refuses to admit it?
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Oh, if I really wanted to get into digs about libertarians, the open borders would only be a mild one.

I took that quiz long ago and I came up a conservative. For the most part, libertarians and conservatives share the similar ideals when it comes to economic principles. When it comes to social issues, libertarians and liberals are normally on the same page. I think the quiz is a tad bit biased as many more issues should be considered in order to know better where one actually stands.
 
LesGovt said:
Oh, if I really wanted to get into digs about libertarians, the open borders would only be a mild one.

I took that quiz long ago and I came up a conservative. For the most part, libertarians and conservatives share the similar ideals when it comes to economic principles. When it comes to social issues, libertarians and liberals are normally on the same page. I think the quiz is a tad bit biased as many more issues should be considered in order to know better where one actually stands.
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FYI less restrictive borders is both an economic and a social issue.
 
LesGovt said:
For the most part, libertarians and conservatives share the similar ideals when it comes to economic principles. When it comes to social issues, libertarians and liberals are normally on the same page. I think the quiz is a tad bit biased as many more issues should be considered in order to know better where one actually stands.
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That is because we hold closer to classical liberalism of the forefathers. We emphasize liberty and freedom over all else.
 
Ikari said:
That is because we hold closer to classical liberalism of the forefathers. We emphasize liberty and freedom over all else.
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Sorry, but that is not true. If you want to hold a discussion on this we can start a new thread to cover it. The Founders were far closer to conservatives of today than today's libertarians.
 
Conservative said:
Here are the results for the past 30 years, regardless of the borders the Democrat Party lost for the first time in almost 90 years and Weiner beat Turner in 2010 during the Republican tidal wave. No matter how you spin it this is a Democrat disaster and bodes poorly for the future as it should. It is time to focus on the Obama rhetoric not the Obama rhetoric.

1980: Geraldine Ferraro wins over Republican opposition by 65% to 35%.
1982: Geraldine Ferraro wins over Republican opposition 79% to 21%.
1984: Thomas Manton wins over Republican opposition 57% to 43%.
1986: Thomas Manton wins over Republican opposition 74% to 26%.
1988: Thomas Manton wins with no Republican opposition, 100% to 0%.
1990: Thomas Manton wins over Republican opposition 72.5% to 27.5%.
1992: Chuck Schumer wins with no Republican opposition, 100% to 0%
1994: Chuck Schumer wins over Republican opposition 75% to 25%.
1996: Chuck Schumer wins over Republican opposition 79% to 21%.
1998: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition 73% to 27%.
2000: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition 70% to 30%.
2002: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition 67% to 33%.
2004: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition 73% to 27%.
2006: Anthony Weiner wins with no Republican opposition, 100% to 0%.
2008: Anthony Weiner wins with no Republican opposition, 100% to 0%.
2010: Anthony Weiner wins over Republican opposition (Bob Turner, btw), 64% to 36%.

From 1980 to 2010, inclusive, the average Democrat received 78% of the vote vs. 22% for the Republican.
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There have been 43 President of the United States and all have been white except for one.
 
pbrauer said:
:shock: Where is the gestapo, Con? :lamo

You do realize Nazi Germany was right wing, not left wing, don't you?
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The Nazis of Germany were not right wing, they were left wing. Socialists

There's some counter intuitive history around National Socialism...


National Socialism wasn't what modern political scientists describe as a "left wing" or "liberal" in modern language. In that sense, it's a misuse of the term socialism. It was more of a populist reaction to the stress of the depression and dire circumstances in post war Germany as the communist USSR loomed large from the East. If I had to describe Nazi ideology simply, I'd call it extreme nationalism (to the point of xenophobia) as an opposition to communism. The irony of course, is that the many facets of the Nazi state looked a hell of a lot like communism/socialism.


Where the Nazi's (not the idiots you see marching with the KKK) most closely resemble the modern American left is their view on humanism. The huge difference is that American liberals aren't nationalistic. If you combine the American liberal love of intellectual hucksterism and their shrill intolerance for anything that doesn't fit their plan with a strong dose of nationalism ...you'd have your fill of secret police and death camps. Liberals are only an election or two away from that scenario. You put a democrat in the White House, give them control of congress, and have a major attack on CONUS like a nuke in LA or the Gay Bay, and you'll see a totalitarian state the likes of which would make the ghost of Stalin green with envy.


It's fairly easy to find a mainstream Democratic politician in office who is a member of a Communist or Socialist organization (Nancy Pelosi, including her parents), it's kind of hard to find a Republican politician who is a member of the Nazi Party.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Only a sith deals in absolutes...

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Thus showing that Obi-wan is a Sith
 
pbrauer;1059797847You do realize Nazi Germany was right wing said:
ric27 said:
The Nazis of Germany were not right wing, they were left wing. Socialists.
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Oh the wonders of Godwin. I'm not shocked with it coming from one of the biggest partisan hacks on the left on this forum and one that can hold his own on the right.

Nazi Germany when compared to modern day American politics and views regarding "left" and "right" would actually be best described as centrist. Various portions of the government could be viewed as relating to both far left and far right ideological beliefs in relation to the modern view of those things. To try and place Nazi Germany on either side...and specifically to attempt to do it in such a way as to suggest its relatable to a significant modern political entity...is just hyper partisan bull**** and an emotional plea to attempt to tie one of the most, if not THE most, hated regime of the modern era to political enemies to score worthless political points. Absolutely digusting.
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pbrauer said:
There have been 43 President of the United States and all have been white except for one.
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The head of the DNC said the following:

“It’s a very difficult district for Democrats,” said Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, noting its Democratic margins there tend to be the second lowest of all the districts in New York City.
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I just posted the last 30 years of results and could have added another 60 years results for this District and still not find a Republican elected Representative but that this a "difficult district for Democrats?" You don't see the significance of this defeat? Not surprising that you would spin it like Schultz basically trying to divert from reality.
 
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Conservative said:
The head of the DNC said the following:



I just posted the last 30 years of results and could have added another 60 years results for this District and still not find a Republican elected Representative but that this a "difficult district for Democrats?" You don't see the significance of this defeat? Not surprising that you would spin it like Schultz basically trying to divert from reality.
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I believe the call that in the business 'spin'. They could have said something like 'backlash against Weiner' and had more credibility...instead they say something only their mindless muppets will believe. Luckily for them they will believe anything.
 
Zyphlin said:
Oh the wonders of Godwin. I'm not shocked with it coming from one of the biggest partisan hacks on the left on this forum and one that can hold his own on the right.

Nazi Germany when compared to modern day American politics and views regarding "left" and "right" would actually be best described as centrist. Various portions of the government could be viewed as relating to both far left and far right ideological beliefs in relation to the modern view of those things. To try and place Nazi Germany on either side...and specifically to attempt to do it in such a way as to suggest its relatable to a significant modern political entity...is just hyper partisan bull**** and an emotional plea to attempt to tie one of the most, if not THE most, hated regime of the modern era to political enemies to score worthless political points. Absolutely digusting.
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Many do not want to see another totalitarian like movement arise. But because certain legitimate social, political and economic issues weren't addressed in Europe of the early 20th century, it fostered the rise Marxism, Fascism, Nazism. Russia didn't deal with her problems and there was a revolution, eventually commandeered by the Bolsheviks. Fascism took over in Italy. There were pro-Nazi/socialist movements with a lot of strength in the US, UK and France. The axis powers went off the deep end faster than we did, and in opposing them, we walked away from the brink.


There are some truths espoused by the Nazis. Jews were money lenders because Catholics were preventing from lending money and charging interest by the rules of the Church. So the Jews filled a need there. The downside of being the minority was when the nobles didn't want to/couldn't pay back the loan, it was easy to default by starting a violent riot....kill all the Jews. The fact is, Jewish ownership and control of financial institutions far exceeded their percentage of the general population.
 
ric27 said:
The Nazis of Germany were not right wing, they were left wing. Socialists

There's some counter intuitive history around National Socialism...


National Socialism wasn't what modern political scientists describe as a "left wing" or "liberal" in modern language. In that sense, it's a misuse of the term socialism. It was more of a populist reaction to the stress of the depression and dire circumstances in post war Germany as the communist USSR loomed large from the East. If I had to describe Nazi ideology simply, I'd call it extreme nationalism (to the point of xenophobia) as an opposition to communism. The irony of course, is that the many facets of the Nazi state looked a hell of a lot like communism/socialism.


Where the Nazi's (not the idiots you see marching with the KKK) most closely resemble the modern American left is their view on humanism. The huge difference is that American liberals aren't nationalistic. If you combine the American liberal love of intellectual hucksterism and their shrill intolerance for anything that doesn't fit their plan with a strong dose of nationalism ...you'd have your fill of secret police and death camps. Liberals are only an election or two away from that scenario. You put a democrat in the White House, give them control of congress, and have a major attack on CONUS like a nuke in LA or the Gay Bay, and you'll see a totalitarian state the likes of which would make the ghost of Stalin green with envy.


It's fairly easy to find a mainstream Democratic politician in office who is a member of a Communist or Socialist organization (Nancy Pelosi, including her parents), it's kind of hard to find a Republican politician who is a member of the Nazi Party.
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See bolded. From which political end of the political spectrum are more apt to be flag wavers; call the other side unAmerican; choose war over piece; stress militarism; target a certain part of the population such homomsexuals and Muslims like the Jewish people were in Nazi Germany, etc,etc?
 
pbrauer said:
See bolded. From which political end of the political spectrum are more apt to be flag wavers; call the other side unAmerican; choose war over piece; stress militarism; target a certain part of the population such homomsexuals and Muslims like the Jewish people were in Nazi Germany, etc,etc?
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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

“It’s a very difficult district for Democrats,” said Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, noting its Democratic margins there tend to be the second lowest of all the districts in New York City.
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Conservative said:
The head of the DNC said the following:



I just posted the last 30 years of results and could have added another 60 years results for this District and still not find a Republican elected Representative but that this a "difficult district for Democrats?" You don't see the significance of this defeat? Not surprising that you would spin it like Schultz basically trying to divert from reality.
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The significance may very well not be to your liking, Con, in years where Democrats won special elections Republicans won big in November and when Republicans won special elections Democrats won big in November.
 
pbrauer said:
The significance may very well not be to your liking, Con, in years where Democrats won special elections Republicans won big in November and when Republicans won special elections Democrats won big in November.
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Except no President has ever had the results that this President has generated, results apparently that don't matter to you for you are fine thus not worried about anyone else. what is scary is the cult following that this President has in spite of his record which shows there are more leftwing radicals than the media wants to report or you are willing to admit. This is going to be the dirtiest election in U.S. History next year and after Obama loses the cult followers are going to become more enraged. I am just glad I am in TX.
 
Conservative said:
Except no President has ever had the results that this President has generated, results apparently that don't matter to you for you are fine thus not worried about anyone else. what is scary is the cult following that this President has in spite of his record which shows there are more leftwing radicals than the media wants to report or you are willing to admit. This is going to be the dirtiest election in U.S. History next year and after Obama loses the cult followers are going to become more enraged. I am just glad I am in TX.
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I am glad you live in Texas, as well, Con.:lamo
 
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