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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know what you want. Even if you look at the last page in breaking news, the threads are from 2010; not exactly during Obama's first Presidential run. My own "find recent posts", only goes to 19 pages and that takes me to July of this year. I had said it at the time though, I never trusted Obama and expected him to be just like Bush, and for the most part I was right.
    I will take you at your word that you said Obama would be "just like Bush." Of course, that is a false statement, but I will take it that you said it. Bush didn't go around apologizing for the U.S. Obama does. Bush didn't try to ram down our throats a program to take over 1/6th of the economy. Obama did. Bush didn't smite Israeli and the Jewish people. Obama did. I could find other things where they differ, but you get the point.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I will take you at your word that you said Obama would be "just like Bush." Of course, that is a false statement, but I will take it that you said it. Bush didn't go around apologizing for the U.S. Obama does. Bush didn't try to ram down our throats a program to take over 1/6th of the economy. Obama did. Bush didn't smite Israeli and the Jewish people. Obama did. I could find other things where they differ, but you get the point.
    Functionally, they are quite similar. You have some little superficial differences; but overall incredibly similar.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Damn Conservative, you're a hard guy to stay behind. I'm conservative too, but this didn't just happen from 2007 the build up to this has been coming for decades, and it included Democrats and Republicans. They (from both parties) can say they didn't see this coming, but that is admitting their shortcomings and short sightedness. Seeing how those elected officials are suppose to be our brightest and best, it speaks loudly how they aren't concerned with the state of this country near as much as they are with their own well being.

    Yes nothing was done since 2007 to prevent the fall, and that was the Democrats fault just as much as Bush's …. damn I don't know about you, but I just can't believe that with all the information our government gets monthly on such matters, that no one seen it coming. What is apparent is that if they did, they sure didn't take any action to stop, slow, or even attempt to make it less drastic then it ended up becoming.

    Where you and I differ on things is where to place the blame, it belongs to both parties, we aren't 15 trillion dollars in debt because of Obama, or because of Bush, our government has consistently out spent what it has taken in for decades.

    So while we made wholesale changes in 2006 and 2008 those changes were made because of the direction this country was moving in. People have seen that those changes have only increased those very same problems, thus you had the 2010 elections, and in My opinion you are going to see whole sale changes again in 2012.

    One thing is sure, we have seen no fiscally conservative, in either party for a long time... but IMO we are moving in that direction, this recession has awoken the people of America, now that they have been awoken, politicians better take heed and do what is right, or expect their stay in office to be short.

    While I will defend Bush from the far left, that can do no better then to blame him for everything they can think of to blame him for, I can't in all fairness blame Obama for everything this country is going through at this time either. Do I agree with his policies …. not at all.... has he improved anything … in my opinion no he hasn't, people agree and are sending him messages left and right, and he isn't listening. If he continues not to listen, they will send him one final message at the end of 2012. All that aside, we are were we are because both parties failed miserably.
    Very well stated and I agree!

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Functionally, they are quite similar. You have some little superficial differences; but overall incredibly similar.
    Well, that's your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion. Even if it's wrong.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Well, that's your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion. Even if it's wrong.
    I don't necessarily see how it's wrong. Both serve the same sort of folk. We're pandering to Wall Street and Banks and corporations which donate sufficiently to the party. Both did that well. Both are large government politicians, both are big war government politicians, both have a certain belief in the authority of government over the rights and liberties of the individual. I find them to be remarkably similar. What did we get with Obama that we would not have gotten with Bush? Maybe healthcare; but that thing crashed and burned and all Obama's plan comes down to is a handout to the insurance companies. Much like Meidcade Part D was Bush giving a handout to the pharmaceutical companies. Bush, Obama, Republican, Democrat....peas in a pod.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    I didn't believe that McCain would be any different on the important issues than Obama which is why I didn't vote for either one.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't necessarily see how it's wrong. Both serve the same sort of folk. We're pandering to Wall Street and Banks and corporations which donate sufficiently to the party. Both did that well. Both are large government politicians, both are big war government politicians, both have a certain belief in the authority of government over the rights and liberties of the individual. I find them to be remarkably similar. What did we get with Obama that we would not have gotten with Bush? Maybe healthcare; but that thing crashed and burned and all Obama's plan comes down to is a handout to the insurance companies. Much like Meidcade Part D was Bush giving a handout to the pharmaceutical companies. Bush, Obama, Republican, Democrat....peas in a pod.
    Oh my! Herman Cain is correct. We need to learn to lighten up a bit. I guess I should have put a smiley after my miniature comments.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I didn't believe that McCain would be any different on the important issues than Obama which is why I didn't vote for either one.
    Aha! Now we know who to blame for the Obama presidency!!!

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Aha! Now we know who to blame for the Obama presidency!!!
    My reasoning was the same as 1Perry's. I saw very little functional difference between McCain and Obama and the rest of the status quo. I voted for neither of them, and less one of the main parties puts up someone spectacular; I am not likely to support another Republicrat candidate.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Seems Obama not strongly supporting israel has come back to haunt him....the orthodox jews which have a huge community in this district voted for the GOP.
    This does not bode well for Obama...if the jews abandon him...they are some of his staunchest supporters and donors. I am ALL FOR total support of Israel.

    Republican wins Democratic New York House seat - The Washington Post


    Bob Turner, the winner, cast the election as a referendum on Obama’s stewardship of the economy and, in the state’s Ninth Congressional District, which has a large population of Orthodox Jewish voters, the president’s position on Israel.
    If a republican got elected anywhere in New York it is most likely because he is a liberal and there will not be any changes from before.
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