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rocket88 said:
Doubt it. The "Israel is always right" crowd didn't vote for Obama anyway.
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Obama received 78% of the Jewish vote, probably the biggest percent block other than the black vote.
 
Conservative said:
Because the lessor of two evils wouldn't have passed Obamacare, bailed out unions, expanded the role of the Federal govt. and generated the results we have today with 25 plus million unemployed Americans. The lessor of two evils would haven't forced higher expenses on the states and given taxpayer money to corporations like Solyndra and GE just because they are big supporters of Obama.
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The lesser of two evils would have expanded government, expanded our wars the same as Obama, would have worked for the same aristocracy that Obama works for. What's the difference? You think McCain wouldn't have bailed out Wall Street and the Banks? Not a chance in hell. They serve the same master. So what's the worst thing we got with this evil over the other evil? A broken health care system? Not enough. Besides, there's nothing which says that other evil wouldn't have unleashed something worse. I need a stronger candidate if they are going to be my best alternative. To which you say should be the way I vote, yes?

Face it, the GOP left true small government ideology in the dust some time ago. Till you return, I cannot support you.
 
Conservative said:
That is exactly the approach Obama and Democrats rely on. What policies that Obama has implemented would Retard B(McCain) have implemented?
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So are you going to insist on answers to hypotheticals too? I have no way of knowing what a president mccain would have done and neither do you. I DO knkw that with a gop AND dem president and congress leaders we have gone from 2 trillion to 15.5 trillion in debt. Sorry man...neither side is on the side of angels. Neither side is worthy of blind partisan support. Threaten that support they count on for power and they might just change.
 
Ikari said:
The lesser of two evils would have expanded government, expanded our wars the same as Obama, would have worked for the same aristocracy that Obama works for. What's the difference? You think McCain wouldn't have bailed out Wall Street and the Banks? Not a chance in hell. They serve the same master. So what's the worst thing we got with this evil over the other evil? A broken health care system? Not enough. Besides, there's nothing which says that other evil wouldn't have unleashed something worse. I need a stronger candidate if they are going to be my best alternative. To which you say should be the way I vote, yes?

Face it, the GOP left true small government ideology in the dust some time ago. Till you return, I cannot support you.
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That is your opinion but we will never know. What we do know is what has happened. Are you happy with the results Obama has generated?
 
Ikari said:
The lesser of two evils would have expanded government, expanded our wars the same as Obama, would have worked for the same aristocracy that Obama works for. What's the difference? You think McCain wouldn't have bailed out Wall Street and the Banks? Not a chance in hell. They serve the same master. So what's the worst thing we got with this evil over the other evil? A broken health care system? Not enough. Besides, there's nothing which says that other evil wouldn't have unleashed something worse. I need a stronger candidate if they are going to be my best alternative. To which you say should be the way I vote, yes?

Face it, the GOP left true small government ideology in the dust some time ago. Till you return, I cannot support you.
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Sounds like if we can't have the best then who cares if we get the worst.

Or maybe it is get the worst so the public might get so disgusted they will vote for our guy/girl. The problem is that the system makes all but impossible for a third party to be anything but a spoiler.
 
washunut said:
Obama received 78% of the Jewish vote, probably the biggest percent block other than the black vote.
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Usually the "Israel is always right" crowd are Right-wing Christians. Jews are smart enough to tell the difference between "I disagree with some policies of the government of Israel" and "I hate Jewish people."
 
VanceMack said:
So are you going to insist on answers to hypotheticals too? I have no way of knowing what a president mccain would have done and neither do you. I DO knkw that with a gop AND dem president and congress leaders we have gone from 2 trillion to 15.5 trillion in debt. Sorry man...neither side is on the side of angels. Neither side is worthy of blind partisan support. Threaten that support they count on for power and they might just change.
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You are right, all I know is what has happened. Aren't you speculating what a Libertarian would do and how would he do it with a Congress made up of Democrats and Republicans? What makes a Libertarian making promises that you know they will never deliver because they will never win national office any different than what we have right now, promises that aren't being delivered?
 
Conservative said:
That is your opinion but we will never know. What we do know is what has happened. Are you happy with the results Obama has generated?
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Nope, he acted as much as I had expected him to. I didn't hold out any better hope for McCain though. More government, more intervention, more big brother tactics. Peas in a pod.
 
rocket88 said:
Usually the "Israel is always right" crowd are Right-wing Christians. Jews are smart enough to tell the difference between "I disagree with some policies of the government of Israel" and "I hate Jewish people."
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Very general statement on your part, where is your proof? Obama got most of the Jewish vote in 2008
 
washunut said:
Sounds like if we can't have the best then who cares if we get the worst.

Or maybe it is get the worst so the public might get so disgusted they will vote for our guy/girl. The problem is that the system makes all but impossible for a third party to be anything but a spoiler.
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That's the true power of the third parties. Plus it's not so much "we can't have the best, then who cares if we get the worst", the Republocrats already represent the worst. So if we're going to get the worst regardless, might as well vote for something else.
 
Ikari said:
Nope, he acted as much as I had expected him to. I didn't hold out any better hope for McCain though. More government, more intervention, more big brother tactics. Peas in a pod.
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Well then congratulations on voting for someone who had no chance of winning and for helping Obama create those numbers. You have no idea what McCain would have done just like you have no idea what a Libertarian would have done with no support in the Congress.
 
rocket88 said:
Usually the "Israel is always right" crowd are Right-wing Christians. Jews are smart enough to tell the difference between "I disagree with some policies of the government of Israel" and "I hate Jewish people."
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Take a look at the exit polls. Also take a look at the public policy stances of this administration. It is not a matter of disagreeing "with some policies of the government of Israel" that happens will all administrations.
 
Conservative said:
Well then congratulations on voting for someone who had no chance of winning and for helping Obama create those numbers. You have no idea what McCain would have done just like you have no idea what a Libertarian would have done with no support in the Congress.
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I didn't help Obama create any numbers. Those were other people who voted for him. I contributed nothing to him. I thought you said I couldn't affect the system? Which is it?
 
Ikari said:
I didn't help Obama create any numbers. Those were other people who voted for him. I contributed nothing to him. I thought you said I couldn't affect the system? Which is it?
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If you didn't vote for someone that could have defeated him, then you helped Obama win. Your vote was a spoiler along with all those others who saw what you saw and did nothing about it.
 
Conservative said:
If you didn't vote for someone that could have defeated him, then you helped Obama win. Your vote was a spoiler along with all those others who saw what you saw and did nothing about it.
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Well I suppose if you don't want me voting that way, you can try to put someone up whom I can vote for. Easy peasy, right? Sorry the GOP abandoned their values and went the way of big, corrupt government. But since I cannot support big, corrupt government there's no way I can support the GOP till they return to their small government roots.
 
Ikari said:
Well I suppose if you don't want me voting that way, you can try to put someone up whom I can vote for. Easy peasy, right? Sorry the GOP abandoned their values and went the way of big, corrupt government. But since I cannot support big, corrupt government there's no way I can support the GOP till they return to their small government roots.
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Then you are going to whine forever because as I posted earlier the only candidate acceptable to you would be you and I guess the question is why aren't you running and getting your message out?
 
Conservative said:
Then you are going to whine forever because as I posted earlier the only candidate acceptable to you would be you and I guess the question is why aren't you running and getting your message out?
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Well that's obviously not true given that I still vote for candidates. Just not your candidate. Field someone better and I'll vote for y'all again. I hold no party over another; I just back the candidate whom best echos my own political platform. You know, the best alternative. I think you said something about that earlier.
 
Conservative said:
Then you are going to whine forever because as I posted earlier the only candidate acceptable to you would be you and I guess the question is why aren't you running and getting your message out?
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What's ironic is you have posted that the Democratic party left you, so you stopped voting for them. Yet you cannot fathom the idea the Repulican party has left people so Ikari cannot vote for them.

Hypocrisy at it's best and it's displayed by your own comments about yourself.

Although I don't agree with many things Ikari says I have more respect for him than you because he stands by his principles unlike you. Sad you can't even understand what that really means.

Conservatives like to talk about values, but vote for evil.

Ikari gives us all something to think about and no, there is no sarcasm emote in what I
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Ikari said:
Well that's obviously not true given that I still vote for candidates. Just not your candidate. Field someone better and I'll vote for y'all again. I hold no party over another; I just back the candidate whom best echos my own political platform. You know, the best alternative. I think you said something about that earlier.
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Guess it is always easier voting for someone based upon promises knowing that individual has no chance of winning. How do you know your candidate will do what he or she says they will and how will that candidate get anything done with a Congress made up of Democrats and Republicans. where is that support going to come from? Sounds like a cop out to me
 
Conservative said:
Guess it is always easier voting for someone based upon promises knowing that individual has no chance of winning. How do you know your candidate will do what he or she says they will and how will that candidate get anything done with a Congress made up of Democrats and Republicans. where is that support going to come from? Sounds like a cop out to me
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You never know. You have to perform the experiment. And all parties given time will corrupt so you'll have to vote them out eventually regardless. However, the experiment is done with the main parties as they're the ones always being elected. And from their performance and action it is clear to see that they are functionally equivalent. I can no longer hold any confidence in the GOP. For too long they have acted in the big government, big debt, big spending, big war, big brother manner; and I for one say that 1984 should be a warning, not a playbook. Till that changes and I can see that change, I cannot return to the GOP. I will have to find my best alternative elsewhere. And if that means voting third party, then so be it. The system only works if you vote for the candidate which best echos your political ideology, not the one you think can best win.
 
TheNextEra said:
Conservatives like to talk about values, but vote for evil.
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What hyperbolic claptrap! No Republican has ever voted for Osama bin Laden.
 
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