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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is your first post in this thread and you do what you always do, high jack it and turn it into be all about Obama.
    Funny how politics works like that... And yes, it is peripherally about Obama since (if you read the articles posted) the NY seat was won at least in part by making his run against Obama policies as a referendum.

    Other than whining about another poster - do you have any comment on the Bob Turner win or Weprin loss? Perhaps an analysis of the campaign and strategy used?
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Those things have happened because there was never any solution for them under the conditions of our current socio-political-legal system. They would have happened anyway, regardless of what anyone tried.

    There are complex cultural, social and psychological reasons why NY9 went Republican, but it wasn't because the entire population rose up in a fervor because they were beside themselves with hatred for Obama and that voting for a Republican was the closest they could get to getting out Obama. Maybe that motivated a few of them to turnover, but the feelings and view points that kept Democrats away from the polls have less to do with specific people and more with how Washington operates as a system. If they also stay home during the Obama election, its not because they believe they made a mistake in voting for Obama (Americans are too conceited to believe it is possible for their political opinions to have been the wrong ones), but because they are convinced that the system itself is ordered in a way where their vote doesn't amount to anything.

    You're making assumptions about the motivations of voters in a way that doesn't do justice to the reality of what's going on inside them.
    So tell me, Obama won 52%of the vote, black, Latino, White, and every other race in 2008. Today his popularity is in the low 40's and upper 30's. Did those people that voted for him all of a sudden wake up and say they now hate him? That is illogical and defies reality. It is the Obama policies that people hate, NOT Obama although some do but not enough to make a difference. Those that truly hate Obama were in the minority in 2008 so that is nothing more than liberal spin today.

    The motivation today are the results he has generated, results that you want to ignore. Address the results and not your emotional feelings that aren't based upon logic and common sense or the facts.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

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    NY 9 with a 4-1 advantage for the Democrats went for a Republican 54-46. The country realizes it made a mistakein voting for Obama, when will you?
    This is exactly what the problem is. Everything for the last three years has been supposed referendums on Obama. Nothing by republicans has been about actually governing. It's just been about making sure that a democrat can't govern. The vote in NY9 should be about the people of NY9, and nothing else. But this isn't the case. Every single thing the republicans (tea partiers included) have done in the last three years has just been about unseating Obama, and we all have been paying the price.

    The entire party policy is to punish the country for voting for Obama. How dare we not let them continue to lord over us. Making us regret that vote is their whole point. These last three years have been nothing more than a ransom attempt by republicans.

    I know this comes off as highly partisan, but one side really is doing things that are much worse than the others. This has nothing to do with republican ideals, some of which I spoke of favorably back on page 8. This is about tactics. Republicans are using tactics akin to Captain Planet villains. Wtf are we doing letting them get away with it? Why are republican voters not demanding integrity and honesty from their candidates? Why are they allowed to continue hurting the country for their own benefit?

    Republicans, I implore you, stop these @$$holes and field candidates who follow the ideals of your party!
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I remember people saying that you can't act against the sitting president. That you're either with us or against us. Remember that a lot. Now it's ok to be against the sitting president and even hope they fail. But when it was Bush, hoping that he failed was somehow related to some larger "America failing" thing.
    I answered that to Morality Games, suggest you read that post as it is right on. Somewhere between 12-15%of the people who voted for Obama in 2008 now seem to be against him today and I assure you it has everything to do with results, results that you want to ignore. They liked him in 2008 but now realize they had a different definition of Hope and Change than Obama has.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I will never argue with the arguement that both parties are to blame, but I will point out that the (D)'s had no desire for a debate on Health Care. They had all three branches and cared less what anyone else thought.
    They sure didn't. The entire debate quickly fell into some horrible partisan mockery of debate. We never even had an honest go of it. I'm not likely to have supported any form of nationalized health care, but there's no reason that we can't intelligently debate it.

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    Obama's current arguement is to cut S.S. funding.
    There needs to be massive cuts to government spending and government itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Good question. Why are we?
    Apparently it's fun or something. I don't know. We're not accomplishing anything, it's not our job to bring "democracy" to the world. We're just wasting lives and money.

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    I dunno. Why are we?
    Unsure. But some people here say we have to.

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    As you note, about the same as the D's. Throw them all out.
    I'd love to. Cannot change the status quo through support of the status quo. But it's a HUGE uphill battle. Worth the fight, but it's a big one. The system is so skewed away from free engagement and control by the People that it's going to require major effort to fix. The Republocrats have fixed the field so well that it's hard to even get media coverage for third parties.

    I like to use the example of the Bush/Kerry (I believe) debates in Arizona where Cobb and Badnarik (Green and Libertarian Presidential candidates respectively) were ARRESTED outside the Presidential debates. Slowly for the Republocrat supporters who may not understand what's shocking about that. 2 official Presidential candidates were arrested outside the Presidential debates. The Republocrats used force of government to prevent free competition of ideas. That's not America. That's not even Mexico.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I remember people saying that you can't act against the sitting president. That you're either with us or against us. Remember that a lot. Now it's ok to be against the sitting president and even hope they fail. But when it was Bush, hoping that he failed was somehow related to some larger "America failing" thing.
    What are you talking about? You "remember people saying that you can't act against the sitting president?" Really? Can you provide a source for those comments?

    That you are with us or against us? I remember that one. It wa Bush who said it. I'm not sure how that relates to people wanting Bush want to fail.

    It's now okay to want this President to fail? Heavens yes! Naturally, it would be better to have him succeed as a right thinking conservative, but that ain't gonna happen.

    Again, I don't recall anyone saying that they wanted Bush to fail on everything. I'll await your evidence. Thanks.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I openly rooted for Bush to fail on TARP.
    I wanted him to fail on a lot of ****, including things like Real ID Act, Patriot Act, etc. But if I wasn't with y'all I was against ya...apparently.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is your first post in this thread and you do what you always do, high jack it and turn it into be all about Obama.
    NY 9 was about Obama and this 4-1 Democrat controlled District voted 54-46 against the Democrat Candidate who ran on the Obama platform. When was the last time this District elected a Republican?

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I openly rooted for Bush to fail on TARP.
    Oh, this must be Ikari's evidence. One person wanting Bush to fail on one item. Ah, got it.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This is exactly what the problem is. Everything for the last three years has been supposed referendums on Obama. Nothing by republicans has been about actually governing. It's just been about making sure that a democrat can't govern. The vote in NY9 should be about the people of NY9, and nothing else. But this isn't the case. Every single thing the republicans (tea partiers included) have done in the last three years has just been about unseating Obama, and we all have been paying the price.

    The entire party policy is to punish the country for voting for Obama. How dare we not let them continue to lord over us. Making us regret that vote is their whole point. These last three years have been nothing more than a ransom attempt by republicans.

    I know this comes off as highly partisan, but one side really is doing things that are much worse than the others. This has nothing to do with republican ideals, some of which I spoke of favorably back on page 8. This is about tactics. Republicans are using tactics akin to Captain Planet villains. Wtf are we doing letting them get away with it? Why are republican voters not demanding integrity and honesty from their candidates? Why are they allowed to continue hurting the country for their own benefit?

    Republicans, I implore you, stop these @$$holes and field candidates who follow the ideals of your party!
    How can the Republicans govern anything without Control of the Congress? From 2007-January 2011 Democrats had overwhelming control of the Congress and in 2009-2010 control of the WH. 2010 election is an indication of what this country will do in 2012 as was the election yesterday in NY 9

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