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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    You got it. I believed he was wrong for America prior to the election of 2008 and Limbaugh was right when he wanted him to fail.
    yes, it was his agenda that he wanted to fail because most people recognize the liberal leftwing agenda and massive growth and control of the Govt. is bad for this country. Obama succeeding would be making this country into a failed socialist utopia like countries in Europe, high unemployment, low economic growth, and cradle to grave coverage. Who wants that here?

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well there's a tune that's pulled a 180 since Bush was in office.
    Really? I don't recall anyone saying that they hoped Bush would fail on everything? Who do you think said that?

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    yes, it was his agenda that he wanted to fail because most people recognize the liberal leftwing agenda and massive growth and control of the Govt. is bad for this country. Obama succeeding would be making this country into a failed socialist utopia like countries in Europe, high unemployment, low economic growth, and cradle to grave coverage. Who wants that here?
    Who wants that here? People who want others to take care of them so they can sit around and smoke pot.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    When was the last time NY 9 elected a Republican? I care about the truth but realize there is nothing we can do today about what happened during the Bush years but we can do something about the present which NY 9 voters did yesterday and about this President that has made things worse, higher unemployment, declining labor force, higher debt, and higher misery index. NY 9 seems to have gotten it and if that District went Republicans then Obama is in deed trouble in 2012. America is waking up to the reality they made a mistake in 2008
    Those things have happened because there was never any solution for them under the conditions of our current socio-political-legal system. They would have happened anyway, regardless of what anyone tried.

    There are complex cultural, social and psychological reasons why NY9 went Republican, but it wasn't because the entire population rose up in a fervor because they were beside themselves with hatred for Obama and that voting for a Republican was the closest they could get to getting out Obama. Maybe that motivated a few of them to turnover, but the feelings and view points that kept Democrats away from the polls have less to do with specific people and more with how Washington operates as a system. If they also stay home during the Obama election, its not because they believe they made a mistake in voting for Obama (Americans are too conceited to believe it is possible for their political opinions to have been the wrong ones), but because they are convinced that the system itself is ordered in a way where their vote doesn't amount to anything.

    You're making assumptions about the motivations of voters in a way that doesn't do justice to the reality of what's going on inside them.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, sorry Democrats have stacked the deck as history shows that at least 43% of the public are going to vote for a Democrat regardless of the candidate and 26% Republican regardless of the candidate meaning that no third party has a chance. That is reality.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

    There are certainly people who will vote party lines regardless. But that's in a day and age of stifled and limited information. When the choice is presented as just two, then you go from that. If others were allowed to freely participate then those numbers would likely change with time. And it wasn't just the Democrats to stack the deck, but you're essentially proving the point. You're so blind that you can't see the forest for the trees. You refuse to take an honest look at the system, rather it's all the democrats fault and the republicans bring icecream to poor kids on hot days.

    There is a set of party voters, that doesn't mean the system cannot be influenced through third party pressure. I'm not sure if I buy your numbers, but we also have a situation in which almost half the voting populace doesn't vote either; and that's a wealth of people to tap into if you can get them excited. But they've given up because they're caught in the Republocrat design. The probability ain't zero, so third parties DO have a chance.
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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's very sad how much damage this country has had to sustain in order to help republicans discredit Obama and push them back into power. Even sadder is how much more damage this country will sustain with leadership whose only goal is to secure power and wealth for themselves. It would be great to see a republican who actually lived up to republican ideals like community focus, actual morality, support of small business, and military non-intervention. Instead we get greedy pricks who smash small business for large ones, take focus away from community with an obsession over nuclear families, ignore Christian morality like actually loving one's neighbor, and use the US military to kill personal enemies and secure wealth for corporate interests.

    It boggles my mind why anyone votes for mainstream republicans. They don't actually follow their party's platform at all.
    Hence, the tea party. This is the nature of why it was founded. Instead of recognizing that, liberals try to paint them as racists to discredit them.

    And around and around it goes.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Really? I don't recall anyone saying that they hoped Bush would fail on everything? Who do you think said that?
    I remember people saying that you can't act against the sitting president. That you're either with us or against us. Remember that a lot. Now it's ok to be against the sitting president and even hope they fail. But when it was Bush, hoping that he failed was somehow related to some larger "America failing" thing.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How about doing what is right for America and that would be supporting Israel? How about stopping with the rapid shift towards a European Socialist Model and do the will of the people? NY 9 says a lot about what is going on, wonder when his supporters wake up. This was Chuck Schumer's seat, huge Democrat District that is showing the direction of the country today as more and more Americans finally admit that this country made a mistake in voting for Obama
    This is your first post in this thread and you do what you always do, high jack it and turn it into be all about Obama.


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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, I will not limit my critique of the party's control and influence to the time frame you want to try to make yourself look good. Your side sucks just as well. You want to limit what I can say? Why? Because you know when the R's were in charge, they were just as bad. What have Republicans done since 2007? Run obstructionist campaigns on nothing more than partisan BS. We couldn't even have an honest debate on healthcare.
    I will never argue with the arguement that both parties are to blame, but I will point out that the (D)'s had no desire for a debate on Health Care. They had all three branches and cared less what anyone else thought.

    Socialism this and death panel. How long did Republicans hold us hostage to get tax cuts for the rich to stick? You want to run your mouth about funding Medicaid or Unemployment when we're broke?
    Obama's current arguement is to cut S.S. funding.

    How the hell do you run an expansive international war when you're broke? Huh?
    Good question. Why are we?

    How do you keep handing out money like its candy to places like Israel when we're broke?
    I dunno. Why are we?

    If we're cutting funding because we're broke, I will cut funding for each and every asshole out there BEFORE I would consider cutting any support for American people.

    I got a better question. Since 2007, what have Republicans done FOR us?
    As you note, about the same as the D's. Throw them all out.

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    Re: Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I remember people saying that you can't act against the sitting president. That you're either with us or against us. Remember that a lot. Now it's ok to be against the sitting president and even hope they fail. But when it was Bush, hoping that he failed was somehow related to some larger "America failing" thing.
    I openly rooted for Bush to fail on TARP.

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