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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It just shows how ridiculously deceitful you have to be to try to make a point. No one said anything about outlawing private businesses....but why do you support public subsidies to support big oil corporations that are making billions in profit? Why are you in such favor of massive corporate welfare?
    What is giving companies money to hire people? What is the tax breaks Obama is asking for?

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Alot of whining in this thread about OMG he wants to take away some tax loopholes??? hes going to take from the ones that have it and give to the skid parasites ???

    Heres a much much much more acceptable idea to some with the conservative tag and libertarian tag...

    Lets take the total cost from the the unemployed, underemployed and the working poor and give it to the top tax bracket in tax cuts....then milk the middleclass for whatever you can get in increased taxs to pay off the deficit and give another tax cut to the richest americans....if not for anything else Id be happy with that in the HOPE that they would stop WHINING for even a little while

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Americans want higher taxes? If I asked 100 people if they "wanted" higher taxes, 90 of them would look at me like I was a moron. As for the solution being taxing the rich, if you taxed the top 1% of the income in the US at 10% more, you would only equate for about 2% of spending in the federal budget, so we all know good and well that, thats not the solution.
    All the polls say that people are in favor of repealing the tax cuts for the wealthy. I didn't make any statement on raising everyone's taxes. If you don't believe that people favor raising taxes on the rich then it's not my problem that you refuse to accept reality.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Most people want others to pay more taxes so they don't have to. Its why the progressive income tax scheme works for politicians. Buy the votes of the many with the money of the few
    They want to raise taxes for the wealthy to what they were under clinton. Back then we weren't a socialist utopia either and the economy did quite well and the top earners did extremely well. To argue this as class warfare or as buying votes is silly.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    So for the third time in what is it....10 months?...that Obama is seeking to raise taxes for those over $200k. I guess his strategy is "If you don't give me my way I'll just badger you to death with the same issue over and over and over again so I can claim you're obstructionist".

    It didn't pass the first time when you had a majority Democratic congress. It didn't pass the second time with the current makeup. There's no reason to even attempt it a third time in this short of a span other than for partisan political reasons to try and make an excuse that Republicans are being "unreasonable" when in reality its Obama being unreasonable attempting to push something for the third time in 10 months that clearly he knows is not going to get support and yet he stubbornly continues to refloat it.

    All that said, no real shock here. In the middle of everything we're going with through with the debt this country is in Obama's grand plan is....Increase Spending, Raise Taxes. Hope and Change baby. Hope and Change.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So for the third time in what is it....10 months?...that Obama is seeking to raise taxes for those over $200k. I guess his strategy is "If you don't give me my way I'll just badger you to death with the same issue over and over and over again so I can claim you're obstructionist".
    I don't think anything is wrong with that. If a president has a policy that is popular with the people but the other side of the isle won't let him act on it I think he should bring it up as much as possible to show people he's actually fighting for what he thinks is right. If Rick Perry becomes president and he really want's to privatize social security and it's popular with the people, poll after poll, even if he has no chance of passing it, I think it's completely fair for him to constantly suggest it and bring it up to let people know "this is what I'd do if given the chance".

    I understand where you're coming from, it's old news and has been discussed to death, but if it's a popular idea then I see no reason that the president has to give up on it just because the other side of the isle don't agree with it.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I don't think anything is wrong with that. If a president has a policy that is popular with the people but the other side of the isle won't let him act on it I think he should bring it up as much as possible to show people he's actually fighting for what he thinks is right. If Rick Perry becomes president and he really want's to privatize social security and it's popular with the people, poll after poll, even if he has no chance of passing it, I think it's completely fair for him to constantly suggest it and bring it up to let people know "this is what I'd do if given the chance".

    I understand where you're coming from, it's old news and has been discussed to death, but if it's a popular idea then I see no reason that the president has to give up on it just because the other side of the isle don't agree with it.
    I would agree that this is a fine campaign strategy. However to conflate it with a bill that he requested after calling a joint session of congress to deliver. makes you wonder if he believes in what he was asking for is just putting his political interests ahead of the interests of the country.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Just making sure we've all seen this gem...FederalDeficitChart_BushTaxCutsWar_052511.jpg
    "A witty saying proves nothing." Voltaire

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I don't think anything is wrong with that. If a president has a policy that is popular with the people but the other side of the isle won't let him act on it I think he should bring it up as much as possible to show people he's actually fighting for what he thinks is right. If Rick Perry becomes president and he really want's to privatize social security and it's popular with the people, poll after poll, even if he has no chance of passing it, I think it's completely fair for him to constantly suggest it and bring it up to let people know "this is what I'd do if given the chance".
    Here's the problem. You've randomly decided to deem Polls as "The will of the people".

    Last I checked, Congress is elected by these thing called "people". They are also there due to the "Will of the people". The "Will of the People" voted them into power to act in what those congressmen think is in the best interest of the country and their constitutents.

    Why is it that you feel one "Will of the People" is more important than the other "Will of the People"? Are you consistant and ALWAYS feel that whatever a poll says is what we should do? Or just when you agree with it?

    The "Will of the People" by your definition (polls) said that we should ban gay marriage. So you support the republicans continually pushing for an amendment to ban it, attaching such a thing onto every major issue each few months?

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Nope. The other team doesn't necessarily have to be playing politics. But, Obama, in this instance, certainly is. He proposes a stimulus that he knows republicans already don't want and offers to pay for it with tax increases republicans have already rejected.

    Republicans will also, at times, play politics. In other words, republicans are not always righteous. So, basically, your entire statement is a bunch of hog wash.
    Kind of like that Ryan bill he knew wouldn't pass?

    As my statement was both sides play politics, and you agree, exactly what makes it hog wash? I suggest that partisans always see the other side as playing politics, and in doing so allow themselves an out for not considering what is being proposed.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It just shows how ridiculously deceitful you have to be to try to make a point. No one said anything about outlawing private businesses....
    Oh, I was just trying to take it to its logical conclusion, considering the level of obvious disdain, and disgust you have for private business in the past...

    ...but why do you support public subsidies to support big oil corporations that are making billions in profit? Why are you in such favor of massive corporate welfare?
    See, I think you have to define what you are calling 'subsidies'. Past discussions about oil companies and 'subsidies' have included eliminating deductions in depreciating equipment like any other business. So tell us dude, what are YOU speaking of when you talk of eliminating these so called subsidies?

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