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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Got a source for that that's actually recent and non-partisan?

    Also, lets compare that to how many people call themselves conservatives.
    Posted the Gallup 2010 polls, that not credible to you?

    In 2010, Conservatives Still Outnumber Moderates, Liberals

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.....pfft....No one knows what Socialism is but libs....Get outta here with that pap.

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    He isn't saying that. Rather its people who distort what socialism because they don't really have a good grasp of what the concept is. Also, there are many so-called free marketeers in government and RINOs who say they support the free-market, but then give companies an upper hand by not having them pay taxes (Ten giant U.S. companies avoiding income taxes: Sen. Bernie Sanders list - Lynn Sweet) (Top ten list: Tax evaders' wall of shame | Washington Times Communities) (GE: 7,000 tax returns, $0 U.S. tax bill - Apr. 16, 2010) (16 More Profitable Companies That Pay Almost Nothing In Taxes).
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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.....pfft....No one knows what Socialism is but libs....Get outta here with that pap.

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    I'd take some time to explain everything to you but I only get three weeks of vacation a year and I'm not using up sick leave just to baby sit you. Have a good one.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Posted the Gallup 2010 polls, that not credible to you?

    In 2010, Conservatives Still Outnumber Moderates, Liberals
    Good Job! You gave me a source that I adhered to the standards I asked for.

    Gallup is a great source.
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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    And bam. Thanks for showing that you're not capable of intelligent discussion.

    If you have the money then I see absolutely no reason that you shouldn't be able to buy any house you want. You should be able to have gold toilets for all I give a ****. However, if you make 500,000 a year and then buy a multi million dollar house and then buy a few fancy sports cars, then pay for two kids to get a top of the line ivy league education and at the end of the day your so stretched by your over spending that 7500 in taxes would cause you serious distress then that's you're fault.

    You can call a tiny tax increase "stealing" all you want but understand that most people see right through the talking points bud.
    My talking points are called common effin' sense.

    Yours are called big effin' government.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So what you are saying is that the fair share of tax responsibility for the low saving demographics is zero since 47% aren't paying any FIT?
    No. And will no longer answer questions that misrepresent my position.

    Raising taxes on the rich does nothing but promote class warfare and does nothing for deficit reduction as evidenced by history.
    Your opinion is noted.

    when you give a politician more money they spend it, not use it to cut deficits.
    We have to pay for this jobs bill somehow.

    There is no guarantee that more revenue will come into the Treasury just like there is no guarantee that behavior will not change.
    If we increase taxes on the wealthiest Americans, it will increase revenues period. To believe that affluent citizens will downsize their standard of living because they have to pay 5% more on income over $381k is silly, and directly contradicts about 150 years of data. Consumers prefer a stable path of consumption

    When you raise taxes on businesses who pays those taxes? How does that help the lower saving demographics?
    Another misrepresentation. I have not advocated raising business taxes nor has the president.

    What people do with their money is personal choice for it IS THEIR MONEY!
    Sure, but that does not mean what they do with their money does not negativly impact others.

    Saving money means less need for all that so called liberal help so when people save more cut the size of govt.
    Non-sequitor.

    You judge the first stimulus by the way it was spent never recognizing that it could have and WAS spent wrong. There is still stimulus money left that hasn't been spent showing that Obama doesn't have a clue nor do his supporters. 842 billion was plenty if spent correctly. Guess they couldn't find the shovels for shovel ready jobs.
    Which shows that you did not read my original analysis of the ARRA. 20% of $1.5 trillion should have been spent on public works in 2009, or 40% of $750 billion, or approximately $300 billion between March 2009 and January 2010, not $150 billion that was primarily representative of tax incentives/cuts/breaks. It will be impossible for you to argue against my position if you do not understand it to begin with.

    People paying off debt and saving money means less need for that liberal help as I stated, further where does that payback and savings go and how does that affect investment funds?
    And yet another misrepresentation. Consumers saving their income is good for long term growth. But when nearly all consumers increase savings (as all incomes show signs of a downward vector), it is necessarily a negative for both current and future job growth. An economy that falls by 50% in year 1 would require 100% in economic growth in year 2 just to equal the previous level of output. It is simply irresponsible for a federal government such as ours to believe "we just need to reach the bottom". See the Great Depression.

    Needing jobs now doesn't create sustainable growth and you ought to know that.
    When did i say that, "because we need jobs now, it will lead to sustainable growth". Yet another misrepresentation. CREATING jobs now will lead to sustainable income growth.

    Not all people are going to save the money or pay down debt no matter how you spin it.
    Of course all of it will not be saved; only the majority of it will. This is the reality of a highly indebted society!

    Who said anything about increasing the national debt even though that is what is going to happen. I asked you about rewarding politicians by sending them more tax revenue after THEY created the 14.6 trillion debt. You need help with your reading comprehension.
    Your question was:

    We have a 14.6 trillion dollar debt today and you want to reward politicians that generated that debt by giving them more?
    Which is irrelevant to the discussion.

    The logic stands now you don't give more money to politicians, you reward the taxpayers. FWIW you didn't answer the question posed.
    Why would i want to answer a question that is really a misrepresentation of my argument. To do so would incentivize your poor debate tactics (the need to use fallacies).
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    No. And will no longer answer questions that misrepresent my position.



    Your opinion is noted.



    We have to pay for this jobs bill somehow.



    If we increase taxes on the wealthiest Americans, it will increase revenues period. To believe that affluent citizens will downsize their standard of living because they have to pay 5% more on income over $381k is silly, and directly contradicts about 150 years of data. Consumers prefer a stable path of consumption



    Another misrepresentation. I have not advocated raising business taxes nor has the president.



    Sure, but that does not mean what they do with their money does not negativly impact others.



    Non-sequitor.



    Which shows that you did not read my original analysis of the ARRA. 20% of $1.5 trillion should have been spent on public works in 2009, or 40% of $750 billion, or approximately $300 billion between March 2009 and January 2010, not $150 billion that was primarily representative of tax incentives/cuts/breaks. It will be impossible for you to argue against my position if you do not understand it to begin with.



    And yet another misrepresentation. Consumers saving their income is good for long term growth. But when nearly all consumers increase savings (as all incomes show signs of a downward vector), it is necessarily a negative for both current and future job growth. An economy that falls by 50% in year 1 would require 100% in economic growth in year 2 just to equal the previous level of output. It is simply irresponsible for a federal government such as ours to believe "we just need to reach the bottom". See the Great Depression.



    When did i say that, "because we need jobs now, it will lead to sustainable growth". Yet another misrepresentation. CREATING jobs now will lead to sustainable income growth.



    Of course all of it will not be saved; only the majority of it will. This is the reality of a highly indebted society!



    Your question was:



    Which is irrelevant to the discussion.



    Why would i want to answer a question that is really a misrepresentation of my argument. To do so would incentivize your poor debate tactics (the need to use fallacies).
    You are great at distorting and diverting but never responding, that makes you a true believer in the liberal ideology and thus ignore their failures. Good job, your services are no longer necessary, you are fired!

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What exactly do you think Obama is trying to do? Obamacare is the first step, think private insurance can or will compete?
    Obamacare, in a nutshell, is the mandate that if you can afford it you have to go out and buy private insurance unless you're already covered by medicare or medicaid. There's nothing for private insurance to compete with. I mean seriously, what planet are you from? Where do you get your information? This isn't hard. The only restrictions placed on private insurance is that it must meet some minimum guidelines as to what it covers, that way you don't get to the hospital only to find out that your insurance you've been paying on for years doesn't cover x-rays.

    Take off the tin foil hat and come out of your bunker and join the rest of civilized society.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    My talking points are called common effin' sense.

    Yours are called big effin' government.
    And BOTH are manufactured by Public Relations experts to stop conversation. That's what they are DESIGNED to do.

    And what they obviously DO.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    My talking points are called common effin' sense.

    Yours are called big effin' government.
    Of course. Common sense is the idea that pulling half of all the government spending out of the economy while it's in a fragile state will have no consequences what so ever.

    What is it called when your ideas are only common sense when you are drunk?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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