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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    And bam. Thanks for showing that you're not capable of intelligent discussion.

    If you have the money then I see absolutely no reason that you shouldn't be able to buy any house you want. You should be able to have gold toilets for all I give a ****. However, if you make 500,000 a year and then buy a multi million dollar house and then buy a few fancy sports cars, then pay for two kids to get a top of the line ivy league education and at the end of the day your so stretched by your over spending that 7500 in taxes would cause you serious distress then that's you're fault.

    You can call a tiny tax increase "stealing" all you want but understand that most people see right through the talking points bud.
    From what I can tell, in the liberal way of thinking today, over extending is ok, they'd just open another credit line to cover the $7500. then go after their neighbor that makes a little more and demand that they pay for it.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    And bam. Thanks for showing that you're not capable of intelligent discussion.

    If you have the money then I see absolutely no reason that you shouldn't be able to buy any house you want. You should be able to have gold toilets for all I give a ****. However, if you make 500,000 a year and then buy a multi million dollar house and then buy a few fancy sports cars, then pay for two kids to get a top of the line ivy league education and at the end of the day your so stretched by your over spending that 7500 in taxes would cause you serious distress then that's you're fault.

    You can call a tiny tax increase "stealing" all you want but understand that most people see right through the talking points bud.
    Spoken like a true liberal out of touch with reality. Most people see through liberalism that is why 20% now call themselves liberal. Who gives you the authority to speak for "most" People? I don't know what motivates people like you to spend time on a message board vs. going out and trying to make something of yourself. You can legislate equal opportunity but not equal outcome. taking from someone else to give to someone else does nothing to promote exceptionalism and individual wealth creation so you don't need a massive central govt. I would feel a lot better about people like you if you would only admit who you are and that is a socialist.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The low saving demographic aren't paying any FIT, what part of that don't you understand? Increasing taxes on anyone during these poor economic times is suicidal and is either a sign of incompetence or design. Which is it?
    Nonsense.

    The low saving demographic could pay more money to the government (raise taxes), but this will result in lower total consumption as a result. Raising taxes on the wealthy will not force high income families to consume less; instead, it will simply reduce net national savings which is the only way to create jobs!

    Do you understand? We cannot create jobs when everyone with the ability to do so is saving their money!

    Anything the govt. does is short term and has no sustainability as evidenced by the first stimulus. this one isn't any different, bailing out teachers, police, and firefighters isn't a Federal Responsibility, that is a state responsibility.
    My analysis in Feb 2009 still applies as to why the stimulus was inadequate in terms of sheer size. Fiscal policy to boost economic activity is short term in nature; the economy needs a jump start that only fiscal spending policy (not tax policy) can provide.

    The first stimulus was supposed to support infrastructure spending and failed to do that. Why do you believe this is any different? Tax cuts put more money into the pockets of those high indebted taxpayers and that is what drives the economy, not taking more of that tax revenue from the people that earn it.
    People paying off debt and saving money will not create jobs that we need NOW.... period. Nothing you have stated negates this fact.

    We have a 14.6 trillion dollar debt today and you want to reward politicians that generated that debt by giving them more? That is illogical.
    This is a strawman. I have in no way stated that increasing the national debt is a way of rewarding politicians, nor have i supported such nonsense. Please stay on topic and avoid using fallacies.

    Don't care about your position in 2009 and it is obvious to me that you have never hired, trained or fired anyone in your career thus are unfamiliar about the cost associated with all those activities. Obama doesn't have a clue either.
    The logic stands now as it did in 2009, before one dime of ARRA money was spent. FWIW, i entered semi-retirement @ the age of 27; i did not reach this position due to a lack of entrepreneurial skill/knowledge. None the less, this is irrelevant to the conversation.
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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Spoken like a true liberal out of touch with reality. Most people see through liberalism that is why 20% now call themselves liberal. Who gives you the authority to speak for "most" People? I don't know what motivates people like you to spend time on a message board vs. going out and trying to make something of yourself. You can legislate equal opportunity but not equal outcome. taking from someone else to give to someone else does nothing to promote exceptionalism and individual wealth creation so you don't need a massive central govt. I would feel a lot better about people like you if you would only admit who you are and that is a socialist.
    hahahahahaha....

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Goldenboy219;1059794243]Nonsense.

    The low saving demographic could pay more money to the government (raise taxes), but this will result in lower total consumption as a result. Raising taxes on the wealthy will not force high income families to consume less; instead, it will simply reduce net national savings which is the only way to create jobs!
    So what you are saying is that the fair share of tax responsibility for the low saving demographics is zero since 47% aren't paying any FIT? Raising taxes on the rich does nothing but promote class warfare and does nothing for deficit reduction as evidenced by history. when you give a politician more money they spend it, not use it to cut deficits. There is no guarantee that more revenue will come into the Treasury just like there is no guarantee that behavior will not change. When you raise taxes on businesses who pays those taxes? How does that help the lower saving demographics?

    Do you understand? We cannot create jobs when everyone with the ability to do so is saving their money!
    What people do with their money is personal choice for it IS THEIR MONEY! Saving money means less need for all that so called liberal help so when people save more cut the size of govt.


    My analysis in Feb 2009 still applies as to why the stimulus was inadequate in terms of sheer size. Fiscal policy to boost economic activity is short term in nature; the economy needs a jump start that only fiscal spending policy (not tax policy) can provide.
    You judge the first stimulus by the way it was spent never recognizing that it could have and WAS spent wrong. There is still stimulus money left that hasn't been spent showing that Obama doesn't have a clue nor do his supporters. 842 billion was plenty if spent correctly. Guess they couldn't find the shovels for shovel ready jobs.


    People paying off debt and saving money will not create jobs that we need NOW.... period. Nothing you have stated negates this fact.
    People paying off debt and saving money means less need for that liberal help as I stated, further where does that payback and savings go and how does that affect investment funds? Needing jobs now doesn't create sustainable growth and you ought to know that. Not all people are going to save the money or pay down debt no matter how you spin it.

    This is a strawman. I have in no way stated that increasing the national debt is a way of rewarding politicians, nor have i supported such nonsense. Please stay on topic and avoid using fallacies.
    Who said anything about increasing the national debt even though that is what is going to happen. I asked you about rewarding politicians by sending them more tax revenue after THEY created the 14.6 trillion debt. You need help with your reading comprehension.

    The logic stands now as it did in 2009, before one dime of ARRA money was spent. FWIW, i entered semi-retirement @ the age of 27; i did not reach this position due to a lack of entrepreneurial skill/knowledge. None the less, this is irrelevant to the conversation.
    The logic stands now you don't give more money to politicians, you reward the taxpayers. FWIW you didn't answer the question posed.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    hahahahahaha....

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Spoken like a true liberal out of touch with reality. Most people see through liberalism that is why 20% now call themselves liberal. Who gives you the authority to speak for "most" People? I don't know what motivates people like you to spend time on a message board vs. going out and trying to make something of yourself. You can legislate equal opportunity but not equal outcome. taking from someone else to give to someone else does nothing to promote exceptionalism and individual wealth creation so you don't need a massive central govt. I would feel a lot better about people like you if you would only admit who you are and that is a socialist.
    Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com
    a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
    I can't put it any plainer than this. You have no idea what you're talking about. Go read a book. Go watch a documentary. Go do anything in the entire world that will make it to where I don't lose IQ points just by simply listening to your incoherent babble.
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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com


    I can't put it any plainer than this. You have no idea what you're talking about. Go read a book. Go watch a documentary. Go do anything in the entire world that will make it to where I don't lose IQ points just by simply listening to your incoherent babble.
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.....pfft....No one knows what Socialism is but libs....Get outta here with that pap.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Spoken like a true liberal out of touch with reality. Most people see through liberalism that is why 20% now call themselves liberal. Who gives you the authority to speak for "most" People? I don't know what motivates people like you to spend time on a message board vs. going out and trying to make something of yourself. You can legislate equal opportunity but not equal outcome. taking from someone else to give to someone else does nothing to promote exceptionalism and individual wealth creation so you don't need a massive central govt. I would feel a lot better about people like you if you would only admit who you are and that is a socialist.
    Got a source for that that's actually recent and non-partisan?

    Also, lets compare that to how many people call themselves conservatives.
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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com


    I can't put it any plainer than this. You have no idea what you're talking about. Go read a book. Go watch a documentary. Go do anything in the entire world that will make it to where I don't lose IQ points just by simply listening to your incoherent babble.
    What exactly do you think Obama is trying to do? Obamacare is the first step, think private insurance can or will compete? You want badly to believe what you are being told but you ignore what Obama has done through executive orders and regulations. As more and more people turn to the govt. for "help" more and more people are going to demand a bigger role and that plays right into the Obama "community organizer" agenda.

    Of course you have no idea what I am talking about as you are part of the problem not part of the solution. i wouldn't be talking about someone else's IQ if I were you

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