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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    This past year, the President has been attacked on a continuous basis by the opposition party. I have never seen such a massive misuse of the term socialist being applied to one person in my entire life. It has become crystal clear that the opposition party does not want to cooperate with the President on any issue. For instance, the debt ceiling fiasco was the epitome of irresponsibility; and instead of passing the debt ceiling in an orderly manner during a time of economic uncertainty, they were willing and ready to only pile on the uncertainty.

    What do you expect the President to do? Should he just sit back and take such displays of disrespect like a "good ole boy"? Nonsense. The GOP has put ideology ahead of the well being of the American people. Therefore, it is this mans job to expose them for what they are....
    Why do you have such disdain for the word socialist for isn't that what you and Krugman are supporting? You don't think that Obama wants control of production? You don't think Obama wants redistribution of wealth? Could it be that you know by using the word socialist instead of progressive is detrimental to the Obama agenda? I would love to hear any liberal here explain how proposing tax hikes for the rich is going to put 25 million plus unemployed and underemployed Americans? What is it about progressives that want to reward any politician that has helped create the 14.6 trillion dollar debt instead of rewarding the taxpayers who earn the money to pay for that abuse of federal power?

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    More good news for Obama supporters who again want more govt. power all in the name of compassion

    Census: US poverty rate rises to 15.1 percent; number of uninsured hits high of 49.9 million - The Washington Post

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And I'll be letting some people go if this is passed. You can bet on that.
    How much do you earn if you don't mind me asking. I'm talking actual earnings after writing off all business expenses and such, before taxes?

    I understand if you don't want to answer. Just curious.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why not make everyone-especially those who pay no taxes-pay more? can you say political pandering?
    Obviously, those people who pay no FIT have enough deductions to lower their taxable income to zero or less. The millionaire owner of the LA Dodgers paid no taxes.


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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I just don't see it as a legitimate negotiating point when you know its something they're not going to accept. As I said, I see it as political theater. Its like if the Republicans came into every debate that even touched finances in some way and said "We want to eliminate the minimum wage entirely as part of this agreement". They know 100% that it won't be allowed but they're just putting it in there to make a political point and so they can say later "See, we compromised, we wanted the minimum wage gone but gave it up". Or going "We want a 3% tax cut per bracket for all brackets as part of this" knowing that the Democrats won't go with it and then going "See, Democrats are just being obstructionists because they're refusing to accept our modest proposal".

    Its cheap political theater. I'm not a big fan of theater as is, but if its going to be there showing me the same show over and over again makes for unentertaining theater.
    IDK, I understand where you're coming from but in the grand scheme of things much of the other stuff they do for political theater makes this pale in comparison. I'll never begrudge a politician for speaking his views. ****, Ron Paul has made a presidential run based off of stuff that has absolutely no chance of ever being passed through congress. I still respect him for being honest about it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why do you have such disdain for the word socialist for isn't that what you and Krugman are supporting?
    Socialism is achieved when property rights are redefined giving workers (labor) complete control of the means of production. Neither I, Krugman, nor the President support such a notion, so kindly refrain from misusing the term socialism, if for nothing other than your own sake.

    You don't think that Obama wants control of production? You don't think Obama wants redistribution of wealth?
    No. The entire U.S. financial system could have been nationalized without increasing government spending. The President rejected such notions.

    Could it be that you know by using the word socialist instead of progressive is detrimental to the Obama agenda?
    The use of the word is a simple misrepresentation aimed at destroying credibility in a fallacious manner.

    I would love to hear any liberal here explain how proposing tax hikes for the rich is going to put 25 million plus unemployed and underemployed Americans?
    Fallacy. I have not seen anyone claim that tax hikes will put 25 million plus unemployed back to work. Care to provide a source, or retract your statement as it is a fallacy.

    What is it about progressives that want to reward any politician that has helped create the 14.6 trillion dollar debt instead of rewarding the taxpayers who earn the money to pay for that abuse of federal power?
    Consumers have had 10 years of low taxes, and it has equated to how many new jobs? If low taxes were the end all solution to our economic woes, we would not be in this trouble in the first place
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Socialism is achieved when property rights are redefined giving workers (labor) complete control of the means of production. Neither I, Krugman, nor the President support such a notion, so kindly refrain from misusing the term socialism, if for nothing other than your own sake.



    No. The entire U.S. financial system could have been nationalized without increasing government spending. The President rejected such notions.



    The use of the word is a simple misrepresentation aimed at destroying credibility in a fallacious manner.



    Fallacy. I have not seen anyone claim that tax hikes will put 25 million plus unemployed back to work. Care to provide a source, or retract your statement as it is a fallacy.



    Consumers have had 10 years of low taxes, and it has equated to how many new jobs? If low taxes were the end all solution to our economic woes, we would not be in this trouble in the first place
    I'm sorry but you are totally wrong. We are not in this mess bc of low taxes, we are in it bc of two wars, the high cost of terrorism, and OVERSPENDING. higher taxes on the rich would not even cover 10% of the spending we have now....we need to reform our top programs that are bankrupting our nation

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    How much do you earn if you don't mind me asking. I'm talking actual earnings after writing off all business expenses and such, before taxes?

    I understand if you don't want to answer. Just curious.
    That's difficult to say because there's so much reinvestment into the business that I PREFER to do when the economy is predictable. But yes, I'll take enough personally to be well into that range where he wants to bite more taxes from me, and I'm hardly living rich.

    Here's the rub: I have to operate within a profit margin, or the risk just becomes too great to stay in business. Therefore, if my tax obligation increases, I have to make the necessary changes to make sure my margin is acceptable, which is about 12 percent for me. I'm as lean as I can get operationally, so the only thing I can do is ask some employees to do more. Some businesses are more volatile due to the debt they owe or hold for clients, so they need a better margin than me. A change in taxes will crush them because their owners will get scared about their personal financial well-being.

    It's all pretty simple math, and it's not about being a "cold-hearted company". It's just basic business. Obama wants to tax those that don't vote for him anyway instead of asking more from his base of voters. Never forget, rich people can always take their money and go home if they get too spooked.

    Plus, it's ridiculous what he calls rich. How much will $250K a year get you in New York or San Fran? Are those people living the luxury life? Hell no.

    If you have a house and 2-3 kids in San Diego, $250K is not going to buy you the high life.
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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by 305rob305 View Post
    I'm sorry but you are totally wrong. We are not in this mess bc of low taxes, we are in it bc of two wars, the high cost of terrorism, and OVERSPENDING. higher taxes on the rich would not even cover 10% of the spending we have now....we need to reform our top programs that are bankrupting our nation
    Why is it that you redefine my statement to create a strawman? Did i say we are in the mess because of low levels of taxation? Of course not. I simply stated that if low taxes are the end all solution to a nations economic woes, we would never have been in this position to begin with.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama Seeks to End Tax Breaks to Pay for Jobs Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Why is it that you redefine my statement to create a strawman? Did i say we are in the mess because of low levels of taxation? Of course not. I simply stated that if low taxes are the end all solution to a nations economic woes, we would never have been in this position to begin with.
    If decades of mishandling of tax revenue got us into this mess, how could you possibly want to give them more money to mishandle? Do you have any confidence whatsoever that these additional revenues would go to the debt burden?

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