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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

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    Ultimately? George Bush.
    George Bush ordered these people to be killed by American soldiers?

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

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    George Bush ordered these people to be killed by American soldiers?
    George Bush ordered the invasion that created the conditions that allowed those civilians to be killed. You break it, you own it.

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The only reason to link Afghanistan to Iraq is to muddy the understanding of both.
    LOL! Too bad you didn't convince George W and the GOP of that!


    Is it your contention that Afghanistan was attacked unjustly?


    Yes, there was no need for a war against the Afghanis. The Afghanis did not attack us and were of no threat to us, just as the Iraqis did not attack us and were not a threat to the US.

    We should have used our law enforcement agencies and special OPS to track down the Saudi criminals that attacked us on 9/11.

    As the conservative think tank, the Rand Corp. pointed out in their analysis for the military, the war on terror was a failure.
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Ultimately? George Bush.
    Yes, the majority of Democrats voted against war with Iraq.
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    [QUOTE=Catawba;1059792282]LOL! Too bad you didn't convince George W and the GOP of that!


    Is it your contention that Afghanistan was attacked unjustly?

    j-mac
    Yes, there was no need for a war against the Afghanis. The Afghanis did not attack us and were of no threat to us, just as the Iraqis did not attack us and were not a threat to the US.

    We should have used our law enforcement agencies and special OPS to track down the Saudi criminals that attacked us on 9/11.

    As the conservative think tank, the Rand Corp. pointed out in their analysis for the military, the war on terror was a failure.
    I would part company with you on that one. Afghanistan was harboring our sworn enemeis and refused to expel them. They were providing them refuge to train for and plan attacks against us. IMO that war was justified.

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    George Bush ordered the invasion that created the conditions that allowed those civilians to be killed. You break it, you own it.
    This is why I don't worry too much about religious creationists mandating the teaching of bogus crap in public schools. The outcomes of that experiment couldn't do any more damage to the mental faculties of American students than the education process did to yours.

    George Bush is responsible for the murder that one Iraqi commits against another Iraqi. One has be a lunatic to be swayed by such "tight" and "well considered" reasoning.

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I would part company with you on that one. Afghanistan was harboring our sworn enemeis and refused to expel them. They were providing them refuge to train for and plan attacks against us. IMO that war was justified.
    As would the majority of the country at the time. I still agree with the Rand Corp, that it was counter productive. As soon as we leave, it will continue to be available to terrorists. Besides, there are terrorists all over the world. I personally don't feel that waging war against all those countries would help anything either.
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This is why I don't worry too much about religious creationists mandating the teaching of bogus crap in public schools. The outcomes of that experiment couldn't do any more damage to the mental faculties of American students than the education process did to yours.

    George Bush is responsible for the murder that one Iraqi commits against another Iraqi. One has be a lunatic to be swayed by such "tight" and "well considered" reasoning.
    Yes, of course he was responsible. You know, the buck stops here and all that? It's no different than the law on felony murder. If you break into a store, expecting it to be empty, but there are people inside and one of them pulls out a gun and shoots at you, but hits an old lady across the street, killing her, then YOU are guilty of felony murder because YOU created the condition that led to the killing. In Bush's case it was perfectly foreseeable that the invasion would lead to tribal strife and civilian deaths. That's what Powell was referring to when he said, "you break it, you own it."

    I guess he didn't realize that wingnuts have trouble with conceptual thinking?

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This is why I don't worry too much about religious creationists mandating the teaching of bogus crap in public schools. The outcomes of that experiment couldn't do any more damage to the mental faculties of American students than the education process did to yours.

    George Bush is responsible for the murder that one Iraqi commits against another Iraqi. One has be a lunatic to be swayed by such "tight" and "well considered" reasoning.
    Evidently, you have not compared the deaths by violence preceding our invasion of Iraq with the violent deaths after we invaded Iraq.
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As would the majority of the country at the time. I still agree with the Rand Corp, that it was counter productive. As soon as we leave, it will continue to be available to terrorists. Besides, there are terrorists all over the world. I personally don't feel that waging war against all those countries would help anything either.
    Well, I don't agree with the *way* we went about it. Clearly we had a very good opportunity to take out bin Laden in the early going -- and blew it. Then we withdrew necessary support to shore up the new regime in order to go fight in Iraq. We should have been out of there five or six years ago.

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