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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Except when they have a government that we dont like so much.....
    But our presence in the middle east i would argue has actually strengthened extremism.
    That was also the findings of the conservative think tank the military hired to analyze the effectiveness of the war on terror.

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    With a few exceptions during WW-II ours has been a Nation that goes out of it's way to to fair and civil and to try to limit civilian loses.
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    Like Vietnam where we dropped a more tonnage of bombs and practiced a war of attrition......

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    You know, there is a great amount of middle ground between the "Kill all the Muslims and let Got sort it out" on one side and the "I gotta defend and/or trivialize Islamism because all the really cool kids are doing it" attitude on the other.

    Unfortunately, such attitudes go woefully unrepresented in discussions such as this.
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    The puppet masters pull the strings and make the puppets jump. A dozen or so dickheads in London get together and burn a paper American flag. In response a dozen or so dickheads in America become all pissy and outraged. It is stupidity on both sides.

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    With a few exceptions during WW-II ours has been a Nation that goes out of it's way to to fair and civil and to try to limit civilian loses.

    Islam goes out of it's way to maim and kill innocent people from any walk of life.

    After 9-11 we could have done as we did in Japan but burning Tokyo almost to the ground and obliterating two other Cities with A-bombs but we didn't and it has cost us dearly.

    I don't believe at playing War as we have so far, and did in Vietnam.

    You have to go to War to win and no half way half-assed measures or it ends up being drawn out into and endless quagmire and we finally give up and go home and thousands died for nothing and nothing changes other than the bad guys have time to regroup and come back another day even stronger.

    Now we know the Taliban has told it's murderers to back off until Obama completes his retreat.

    Once our troops are down in numbers where the Taliban no longer fear them They will kill off the Government in power and go right back to where they were before 9-11.

    Obama is the stupidest idiot to ever come along. You never ever tell the enemy you plans. What does he have for brains?

    Nothing I suspect.

    One last thing for Aunt Spicker. It took far less than 100 to bring about the reality of 9-11.
    Councilmans been drinking again.

    World War Two references are so retarded in this instance its not even funny. You're not fighting a governmental entity.

    In World War Two you were trying to defeat a country, to get that country to surrender, that country hard an army, navy, air force, mechanized units... These guys are a bunch of rag tag assholes hiding in caves and mountains and among civilian populations. You can nuke them all you want but here's the rub.

    You measure the success of a mission by two things, was it successful and how few civilians did you hurt. They measure success by how many. And if you did nuke anywhere in the midle east you would open up pandoras box. The entire world would rise up against you for being so reckless.

    Do the deaths of 3000 people at the hands of extremists deserve the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians? Why are those lives any less meaningful Mr. ****ing Pro Life? Because they're not American?

    IT's shameful, pathetic and downright idiotic that you can sit on your moral high horse passing out judgement on those who believe abortion should be legal, but at the same time feel its ok to commit mass murder in the name of revenge just because you value foreigners next to nothing.
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Councilmans been drinking again.

    World War Two references are so retarded in this instance its not even funny. You're not fighting a governmental entity.

    In World War Two you were trying to defeat a country, to get that country to surrender, that country hard an army, navy, air force, mechanized units... These guys are a bunch of rag tag assholes hiding in caves and mountains and among civilian populations. You can nuke them all you want but here's the rub.

    You measure the success of a mission by two things, was it successful and how few civilians did you hurt. They measure success by how many. And if you did nuke anywhere in the midle east you would open up pandoras box. The entire world would rise up against you for being so reckless.

    Do the deaths of 3000 people at the hands of extremists deserve the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians? Why are those lives any less meaningful Mr. ****ing Pro Life? Because they're not American?

    IT's shameful, pathetic and downright idiotic that you can sit on your moral high horse passing out judgement on those who believe abortion should be legal, but at the same time feel its ok to commit mass murder in the name of revenge just because you value foreigners next to nothing.
    I know I didn't just watch you justify killing a bunch of innocent civilians with nukes and in the same reply be so handily against killing a bunch of civilians with nukes. Please tell me you didn't. Dear God, I think you did. Your credibility just took a minuteman right up the tail pipe.

    War is about more of the enemy dying than you dying. We were not attacked at Pearl Harbor by the civilian population of Japan. We were attacked by it's military. A little more organized than the taliban, but the same idea. No real difference. If you can justify us nuking Japan then using the same logic I can justify us nuking Afghanistan. See how that works? It's called all is fair in love and war.

    Let's play a little game. You're a terrorist. You hate America. You and your terrorist brethren decide you want to attack the USA and you plan and accomplish 9/11. You see the USA retaliate with a large scale nuclear attack on your homeland, wiping it off the map and making it unlivable, if you even live through the nukes. Does that send a clear message that you don't want to **** with the USA when you're shooting AK-47's and they're slinging 100KT nuclear warheads?

    What message does it send when we reply with a few bombs, lots of riff-raff between political parties here at home and a stronger more organized terror organization as a result? As a terrorist, I want scenario number 2. I sure as **** don't want to **** with scenario number 1.

    What say you?

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I know I didn't just watch you justify killing a bunch of innocent civilians with nukes and in the same reply be so handily against killing a bunch of civilians with nukes. Please tell me you didn't. Dear God, I think you did. Your credibility just took a minuteman right up the tail pipe.

    War is about more of the enemy dying than you dying. We were not attacked at Pearl Harbor by the civilian population of Japan. We were attacked by it's military. A little more organized than the taliban, but the same idea. No real difference. If you can justify us nuking Japan then using the same logic I can justify us nuking Afghanistan. See how that works? It's called all is fair in love and war.

    Let's play a little game. You're a terrorist. You hate America. You and your terrorist brethren decide you want to attack the USA and you plan and accomplish 9/11. You see the USA retaliate with a large scale nuclear attack on your homeland, wiping it off the map and making it unlivable, if you even live through the nukes. Does that send a clear message that you don't want to **** with the USA when you're shooting AK-47's and they're slinging 100KT nuclear warheads?

    What message does it send when we reply with a few bombs, lots of riff-raff between political parties here at home and a stronger more organized terror organization as a result? As a terrorist, I want scenario number 2. I sure as **** don't want to **** with scenario number 1.

    What say you?
    You have utterly and completely failed to grasp my point.

    I'm not justifying the use of nuclear weapons against civilian populations. But there's one vital difference between using nuclear weapons against a country that you're trying to get to surrender in a World War, and a non government entity like Al Queada, but that's something you can't seem to grasp.

    You could nuke Afghanistan, but what good would that do? The Taliban and Al Queada kill Afghans themselves, so what good would it do except exclusively kill the innocent and not actually destroy Al Queada?

    You'd be playing right into their hands with such a brash move. You'd unite the world against you, everyone would turn their backs on you and isolate you for committing mass murder for the actions of a few. What are you going to do hah? Nuke everyone who breaks diplomatic ties with you?

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