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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Australia is, indeed, an awesome ally to the US, sincerely, one of our best, but I'm confused, who or what are you faulting for the bombing?
    you're always confused. my previous response was in reply to your trolling comment about my perspective being "recently manufactured". classy.

    the ones responsible for the Bali Bombings were obviously the terrorists that organised and carried out the attacks against innocent people. people who were not combatants, people who were just having a holiday, minding their own business, going about their day to day activities just like the victims of 9/11.
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    As I have said before there is no room in this world for Radical Muslims and all they do and want to do is cause trouble and kill not just us but other Muslims.
    It's sad to say but the only way to defeat them and end their reign of terror has nothing to do with with talking or treaties.
    It's all about fighting fire with fire.

    I don't see why we should go after the thousands of Muslims who are just like everybody else who are just trying to make it from one day to the next just because of what a few ****heads do.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    you think because someone is critical of American foreign policy in some areas that autmoatically gives you the right to call them unamerican and haters.
    You mention Australia was targeted in the Bali bombings because it was allied with the U.S. in the War on Terror. I noticed you failed to mention there was another reason Australia was allegedly targeted, and that had absolutely nothing to do with the United States:

    Australia was warned about its participation [in the war] in Afghanistan and its ignoble contribution to the separation of East Timor [from Indonesia]. But it ignored this warning until it was awakened by the echoes of explosions in Bali.

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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    it was an act of Terrorism against innocent civillians. nobody "had it coming". you bounced into the thread and quoted me after i challenged Enolas comment where she stated that she agreed with Councilman and his theory of perhaps we should've nuked an entire population of people. that is disgusting and commenting on that is not trying to take focus off what happened to those innocent people on 9/11. unless of course you are suggesting that bigoted comments like that should remian unchallenged? it is pointing out that acting like a ****ing savagage and wanting to nuke a whole country because of 9/11 and kill a bunch of innocent civillians makes the Enolas and Councilmans of the world no different than those bastard extremists who were behind 9/11. advocating the murder of any innocent civillians is revolting. surely that's not difficult even for you to understand.

    if you care to focus on other posts in this thread rather than just mine then you will see that there are plenty of people who agree with me.

    of course people have a right to be angry about what happened. only an idiot would think otherwise. xfactor, you jumped into this thread trying to be a smart ass and deep down your insinuations were aimed at the fact that i'm not an American so 9/11 couldn't possibly mean the same to me as it would you.

    once again you are incorrect. surely you are not that ignorant that you think 9/11 has only affected Americans?
    You are absolutely correct Serenity, it is wrong for anyone to kill innocent civilians, no matter how it is justified or what flag is flown by the ones that do it. We in fact let a great opportunity pass us by after 9/11. At that time the whole world was with us condemning the horrible tragedy we suffered that day. We squandered that good will by invading and killing many more innocent civilians than we lost in two countries that never attacked the US, rather than enlisting the support of the world to condemn and seek out terrorists around the world. As the conservative Rand Corp determined in their report commissioned by the Pentagon, that resulted only in creating more terrorists and more hatred of America.

    Bin Laden said we would be defeated not on the battlefield but financially by trying to fight futile wars, and we seem determined to prove him correct, IMO.

    I admire you for defending innocent civilians everywhere.
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    You mention Australia was targeted in the Bali bombings because it was allied with the U.S. in the War on Terror. I noticed you failed to mention there was another reason Australia was allegedly targeted, and that had absolutely nothing to do with the United States:
    the ADF deployed military personnel to Timor to help with East Timor's transition to independence from Indonesia in 1999. i assume that would have made many people unhappy and no doubt would be a contributing factor to why we were targeted. the 2002 bombing remains the deadliest act of terrorism ever directed at Australians.

    fact remains, Australians were targeted because of their fight against the Mujahideen and their role in the war in Afghanistan. there is documented statements from those involved confirming this.

    not sure what point you are actually trying to make here. whether our support for the U.S. war on terrorism was 50% the reason, or 10% the reason or 99% the reason for the attacks, what difference does it make?
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are absolutely correct Serenity, it is wrong for anyone to kill innocent civilians, no matter how it is justified or what flag is flown by the ones that do it. We in fact let a great opportunity pass us by after 9/11. At that time the whole world was with us condemning the horrible tragedy we suffered that day. We squandered that good will by invading and killing many more innocent civilians than we lost in two countries that never attacked the US, rather than enlisting the support of the world to condemn and seek out terrorists around the world. As the conservative Rand Corp determined in their report commissioned by the Pentagon, that resulted only in creating more terrorists and more hatred of America.
    You reference the Rand Corp's conclusions like its Gospel. I haven't been on this forum for a few years, but you were citing the same report like 2 years ago when I was more active here. What if this Conservative think tank had said the opposite? Would you still agree with them? I highly doubt it. You're singling out one RAND report for political reasons, not reasonable intellectual ones. You don't follow the Rand because of its validity, you just singled out this one report because it had conclusions that are expedient to you

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    Bin Laden said we would be defeated not on the battlefield but financially by trying to fight futile wars, and we seem determined to prove him correct, IMO.
    So what exactly would your alternatives had been? Just send a couple guys to Afghanistan and Saudia Arabia to try and kill Osama Bin Laden and the other terrorists? Guess what? Bush did that and it failed horribly. We should've sent more troops into Afghanistan in 2001, not less. The problem wasn't that we were spending too much money to start with, it's that guys like Rummy wanted the wars to be cheap, quick, and with little manpower. That mentality turned out to cost us dearly in the long-run, but I think yours could've had even worse results

    Maybe we shouldn't have invaded Iraq in retrospect, but one thing people like you will never admit is that we won. Iraq was a political and battlefield defeat for Al Qaeda, and the representative government there will only benefit our positions in the Middle East in the years to come

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    I admire you for defending innocent civilians everywhere.
    Civilians were dieing in droves before the United States entered Iraq or Afghanistan, so to blame the US for civilian deaths there is like saying cops are responsible for gang warfare if cops start arresting ring leaders
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    You reference the Rand Corp's conclusions like its Gospel. I haven't been on this forum for a few years, but you were citing the same report like 2 years ago when I was more active here. What if this Conservative think tank had said the opposite? Would you still agree with them? I highly doubt it. You're singling out one RAND report for political reasons, not reasonable intellectual ones. You don't follow the Rand because of its validity, you just singled out this one report because it had conclusions that are expedient to you
    I reference the Rand report because it is the most in-depth analysis of the war on terror that I am aware of.

    So what exactly would your alternatives had been? Just send a couple guys to Afghanistan and Saudia Arabia to try and kill Osama Bin Laden and the other terrorists? Guess what? Bush did that and it failed horribly. We should've sent more troops into Afghanistan in 2001, not less. The problem wasn't that we were spending too much money to start with, it's that guys like Rummy wanted the wars to be cheap, quick, and with little manpower. That mentality turned out to cost us dearly in the long-run, but I think yours could've had even worse results
    The alternative would have been what the Rand Corp recommended, using an approach with the world's intelligence agencies and forces with as small of a military footprint as possible, thereby killing less innocent civilians. And I would not have diverted most of our resources for a war on behalf of big oil in Iraq.

    Maybe we shouldn't have invaded Iraq in retrospect, but one thing people like you will never admit is that we won. Iraq was a political and battlefield defeat for Al Qaeda, and the representative government there will only benefit our positions in the Middle East in the years to come
    Before our invasion, we knew that we completely destroyed Iraq's capability to be a threat to the US or its neighbors in the Persian Gulf war followed by ten years of sanctions. We also knew that Saddam and al Qaeda did not get along, and there were few in Iraq before our invasion. Most of the suicide bombers in Iraq were in fact Saudi, just as were those who attacked us on 9/11. Iraq was in fact one of the weakest military forces on the planet at the time of our invasion.


    Civilians were dieing in droves before the United States entered Iraq or Afghanistan, so to blame the US for civilian deaths there is like saying cops are responsible for gang warfare if cops start arresting ring leaders.
    If you compare the violent death rates before and after our wars, you will see they dramatically increased after our wars.
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    boomark it and remember it, i'm sick of repeating it.

    anyone that advocates the slaughter and targeting of innocent victims is a psychopath. advocating to nuke an entire population of people because of the actions of the 9/11 Terrorists is repulsive.
    got it? good.



    my perspective is that innocent people were targeted by Terrorists on 9/11. it was a horrifying event. the loss of their lives is significant.

    if you feel differently that's up to you.







    then perhaps you should shut your stupid ignorant mouth and quit "selectively" quoting people who have said exactly what many others in the thread have said that you have chosen to ignore when you have no clue how the events of 9/11 have affected them then.
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

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    Are your SHIFT keys broken?
    nope.

    but thanks for the concern.
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    Re: 100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Edit: oh, I included SE's comment because I'm sure my explanation falls exactly into his description of obtuse and 2 dimensional and I couldn't be more delighted that I can condemn what happened without reservation.
    I took one look at his comment and had me a good chuckle over the delicious irony inherent in somebody offering such a childishly simple-minded comment that so perfectly illustrated the two dimensional thinking of which he was accusing others.
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