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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's better to hire morons with a history of failing, like Perry, Palin, bush*, McCain, etc
    Better for you to stay quiet on this, I'm serious. You're looking foolish.
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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    This is the first I've heard of Perry having a bad temper. Where's your evidence? Is this what Texans say about him?
    Well, I am a Texan. And, I can tell you: You don't want him in charge. He's COMPLETELY different as a leader than a campaigner.

    He doesn't care about a lot of things, even though he says he does. :/ But, he is very "limited government", which is ok by me.

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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ConnorLidell View Post
    Well, I am a Texan. And, I can tell you: You don't want him in charge. He's COMPLETELY different as a leader than a campaigner.

    He doesn't care about a lot of things, even though he says he does. :/ But, he is very "limited government", which is ok by me.
    He sure has created a ton of government jobs for a guy who claims to be limited government.

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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    lolz. Not in the same context. It's kind of a contradiction.

    He is limited government in the way that he wants the government out of people's hair. Doesn't mean the government actually gets smaller under his rule.

    But, I don't really approve of either method.

    Hell... I don't approve of any method going on right now.

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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Wait a second, being pro-constitution does not mean what you said:
    - pro-choice : ya, this one should be decided by states based on their own values according to the wishes of the constituents
    - pro-prostitution: frankly, in the sense of it being a private transaction, there's no real reason that the transaction be illegal... As distasteful as it is to pay for sex. That said the elements concerning the abuses the prostitutes must endure has alot to do with the fact that prostitution is illegal.
    - pro-tax : there is a constitutional taxing scheme that should be followed, so the position is anti-IRS.
    - pro-government borrowing: sorry, I'll need a citation of what this refers to specifically.
    - pro-central banking: no, that's the opposite, the central bank removed a constitutional power of congress.
    - pro-slavery : no, nobody is "pro-slavery" (that I know of at least)


    You are so clear about your intentions to tie anything distasteful as being constitutional, when this is simply not demonstrable...
    I don't know if it was intentional or not, but you have mistated the argument. It was not about being "pro-constitutional". Here is what I was responding to

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I wish to restore traditional constitutional limits on powers.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ConnorLidell View Post
    lolz. Not in the same context. It's kind of a contradiction.

    He is limited government in the way that he wants the government out of people's hair. Doesn't mean the government actually gets smaller under his rule.

    But, I don't really approve of either method.

    Hell... I don't approve of any method going on right now.
    On the contrary, Perry is only about limited government when it comes to business.

    He is all about government involvement in personal lives when it is something against his own beliefs. Keep in mind, Perry was governor during the Lawrence v TX case. He fought for the state's sodomy laws to be upheld and called the ruling wrong. In fact, he refuses to even attempt to take that law off the books in TX. His state is the only state to have implemented a law against cousins marrying in the last 20 years. He signed the executive order to have teenage girls immunized against an STD. He wants to try to push for a 1 man/1 woman marriage Amendment and an anti-abortion Amendment if he becomes President.
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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    We're talking about the National Government, though. Not the State government. I'm ALL for the State Government getting involved in my personal life. That's what it's for. We vote on legislation for our little corner of the world. It's Constitutional for ANYTHING we want to pass in the States to pass. It's Unconstitutional for the Federal Government to get involved in my personal life.

    That's how I see it.

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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Quote Originally Posted by ConnorLidell View Post
    We're talking about the National Government, though. Not the State government. I'm ALL for the State Government getting involved in my personal life. That's what it's for. We vote on legislation for our little corner of the world. It's Constitutional for ANYTHING we want to pass in the States to pass. It's Unconstitutional for the Federal Government to get involved in my personal life.

    That's how I see it.
    First of all, it is not Constitutional for anything to pass in the states. That is in fact against many parts of the Constitution. The Constitution does limit state government as it does the federal government. It is no more Constitutional for a state government to deny freedom of speech, religion, press, allow cruel and unusual punishment, etc. than it is for the federal government to do so. Along these lines, it is also not Constitutional for the states to discriminate against people based solely on race, sex, religion, etc.

    Second, Perry wants to involve the federal government in the personal lives of people through Amendments. Even if he can't get those Amendments through, you can bet that Perry would fight against any actual straight out appeal of DOMA by Congress. DOMA itself is unconstitutional, since it violates the 9th and 10th Amendments, and it violates the 14th.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's better to hire morons with a history of failing, like Perry, Palin, bush*, McCain, etc
    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    As opposed to a moron with no history of leadership who fails?
    Sounds like a Hobsen's choice to me. We'd better make sure Romney gets nominated, so there will be a real choice.
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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    There was a guy named Wes Clark a republican who jumped into the Dem race and had many similar positions as Howard Dean, in order to shift the focus away. Although their positions differ, Perry is there
    for the same reason.

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