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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

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    Says who? I wouldn't like to see Perry get the nomination, but for one to suggest that Ron Paul has more of a chance of winning the general election shows a lack of common political knowledge. The guy isn't even popular in his own party let alone the rest of the nation.
    Paul is a long shot in the republican primary, but polls show he is stronger among democrats and independents.

    Perry is a fraud. the more people learn of that guy, the less support he will have.

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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Your logic is flawed. Sure he may have stronger support than Perry among democrats and independents but that support surely isn't as strong as Obama's, which is all that will matter in a general election. Not only is Paul a long shot in this primary, he will not be able to get the conservative base out in November and will easily lose democrats and independents to Obama. Thus he has virtually no chance in this race and should not be compared to serious candidates like Perry, Romney, etc.
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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

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    Paul is a long shot in the republican primary, but polls show he is stronger among democrats and independents.

    Perry is a fraud. the more people learn of that guy, the less support he will have.
    If by some magical windfall of luck, Paul got the GOP nomination; I'd vote for him. He is likely the only Republican candidate on the field right now that I could vote for.
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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    All this talking of who can't even win the primary is very goofy. Really, Perry is the best candidate to win the primary? To me, he looks like Bush 2.0, except that Bush was actually articulate and had good ideas during the election. It was only later that his ineptitude shone through... Perry doesn't look good at all, and as such should be squashed. If he wins the primary, it will be a giant landslide and I highly doubt Perry would reach double-digits in amount of states

    John McCain was a total long-shot in 2007, flying coach and equipped with next to no staff. There were plenty of people laughing at the idea that McCain could ever get the nomination, while Giuliani and Romney were considered favorites.

    Obama was less of a long-shot, but definitely an under-dog. Everyone basically assumed Hillary would get the election, and she didn't

    My point is it's way too early to be making these calls on winners and losers. For all we know, Jon Hunstman could come out of the ashes and become a front-runner. Don't base your political judgements on winnability in the primaries, base them on the candidates. Right now, to me, the best primary candidates are Ron Paul, Herman Cain, or Jon Hunstman

    Perry and Bachmaan are liars but even more importantly, nuts
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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawhide View Post
    Perry isn't my man, but that is besides the point really. The fact remains that despite the attempts of the left and libertarians to paint the Governor as unelectable, we know from polling data and pure electoral common sense that he is a much more serious political force than Ron Paul when it comes to this primary and the upcoming general election as well.
    I know from uncommon judgement that he is an empty suit with bad ideas and a complete lack of any discernable skill. He is not charismatic or articulate, he is not experienced, and his record is absent of decisiveness and real leadership

    Perry likely won't win the primaries, and if he did he'd get squashed by Obama in the Presidential election. RP on other hand is articulate, very experienced, has new and controversial ideas that challenge the status quo, and is the Godfather of the Tea Party to which he has shown real leadership. He is a million times more electable
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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

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    If by some magical windfall of luck, Paul got the GOP nomination; I'd vote for him. He is likely the only Republican candidate on the field right now that I could vote for.
    That's nice.
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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    I know from uncommon judgement that he is an empty suit with bad ideas and a complete lack of any discernable skill. He is not charismatic or articulate, he is not experienced, and his record is absent of decisiveness and real leadership

    Perry likely won't win the primaries, and if he did he'd get squashed by Obama in the Presidential election. RP on other hand is articulate, very experienced, has new and controversial ideas that challenge the status quo, and is the Godfather of the Tea Party to which he has shown real leadership. He is a million times more electable
    Wrong. RP is nowhere near as electable as Perry. As I already explained he wont be able to get the conservative base out and he will lose independents and democrats to Obama by tenfold. All this talk about being articulate and experienced virtually means nothing -- we on the right got former President Bush elected even though he could barely speak English at the time, but had the support of his party and independents.
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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawhide View Post
    Your logic is flawed. Sure he may have stronger support than Perry among democrats and independents but that support surely isn't as strong as Obama's, which is all that will matter in a general election. Not only is Paul a long shot in this primary, he will not be able to get the conservative base out in November and will easily lose democrats and independents to Obama. Thus he has virtually no chance in this race and should not be compared to serious candidates like Perry, Romney, etc.
    my logic matches poll results. Ron Paul does quite well in a head to head with Obama.

    Perry will have plenty of problems with the base as well. they aren't too keen on mandatory vaccinations, increased taxes, and touting all the new government jobs as some sort of victory for employment numbers, not to mention his views in Hillary Care.

    People that liked Bush may in fact love Perry, but those numbers are not strong enough to win a general election.

    I think the GOP is in trouble because they refuse to fall back away from their failed policy on the war on terror.

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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Post the polls.
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    Re: Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawhide View Post
    Post the polls.
    RealClearPolitics - President Obama vs. Republican Candidates

    the rolling average has them tied - both trailing Obama by 3.3

    the only recent poll that included them both during the same time is the most recent one, which is Reuters.

    And it shows Paul one point closer then Perry.

    nothing factual indicates Perry to be more electable in a general election.

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