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Virgina health care challenge dismissed

This one will end up in SCOTUS. I don't like mandates of any kind, but Obamacare has one, all states have mandates that you buy car insurance, and there are other mandates as well. Insurance companies also have very powerful lobbies in Washington. You think there is a connection here? I do, and I call it bribery.
 
danarhea said:
This one will end up in SCOTUS. I don't like mandates of any kind, but Obamacare has one, all states have mandates that you buy car insurance, and there are other mandates as well. Insurance companies also have very powerful lobbies in Washington. You think there is a connection here? I do, and I call it bribery.
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The challenge was already upheld in another appeals, so this is going to SCOTUS no matter what. I'm still reading but, i wonder if that wasn't part of the reason for dismissal.
 
Nobody is mandated to buy car insurance. You can buy a car and drive it on private property for 50 years legally without insurance. The obamacare mandate doesn't give you that kind of wiggle room, if you are breathing, you are mandated.

It appears that the ruling doesn't even talk about the Obama mandate per se, it specifies Virginia as not having a right to sue. That's pretty much where this ruling starts and where it stops.

I think this is very interesting for a whole host of reasons.
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
Nobody is mandated to buy car insurance. You can buy a car and drive it on private property for 50 years legally without insurance. The obamacare mandate doesn't give you that kind of wiggle room, if you are breathing, you are mandated.

It appears that the ruling doesn't even talk about the Obama mandate per se, it specifies Virginia as not having a right to sue. That's pretty much where this ruling starts and where it stops.

I think this is very interesting for a whole host of reasons.
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Really? Then why when i got pulled over and did not have updated insurance did i get fined $300 bucks?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Really? Then why when i got pulled over and did not have updated insurance did i get fined $300 bucks?
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because you were on public property. The post specified private property.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Nobody is mandated to buy car insurance. You can buy a car and drive it on private property for 50 years legally without insurance. The obamacare mandate doesn't give you that kind of wiggle room, if you are breathing, you are mandated.
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I think you took your arguement a little to far here......... you aren't required to even buy the car in the first place. Many people in larger cities never do.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Nobody is mandated to buy car insurance. You can buy a car and drive it on private property for 50 years legally without insurance. The obamacare mandate doesn't give you that kind of wiggle room, if you are breathing, you are mandated.

It appears that the ruling doesn't even talk about the Obama mandate per se, it specifies Virginia as not having a right to sue. That's pretty much where this ruling starts and where it stops.

I think this is very interesting for a whole host of reasons.
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Looks like they waived an important Democrat voting block. :lol:
 
DarkWizard12 said:
because you were on public property. The post specified private property.
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Well then the argument is kind of hard to take valid then sense almost no roads are private...... If i buy a car what im a going to use it for if its just gonna sit in a garage or a driveway?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Well then the argument is kind of hard to take valid then sense almost no roads are private...... If i buy a car what im a going to use it for if its just gonna sit in a garage or a driveway?
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There are many ranches out in Wyoming, etc whose acreage is counted in the thousands of acres. I could buy a 4 wheel drive truck and drive it all over the 10,000 acre ranch for 50 years and never need to register it.

The point is, you can buy and own a car and never have to buy insurance. You can't live and avoid having to pay insurance with the Obama plan.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
There are many ranches out in Wyoming, etc whose acreage is counted in the thousands of acres. I could buy a 4 wheel drive truck and drive it all over the 10,000 acre ranch for 50 years and never need to register it.

The point is, you can buy and own a car and never have to buy insurance. You can't live and avoid having to pay insurance with the Obama plan.
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Find a cave on one of those ranches become a hermit don't get insurance.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
There are many ranches out in Wyoming, etc whose acreage is counted in the thousands of acres. I could buy a 4 wheel drive truck and drive it all over the 10,000 acre ranch for 50 years and never need to register it.

The point is, you can buy and own a car and never have to buy insurance. You can't live and avoid having to pay insurance with the Obama plan.
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Unless you are one of the privileged few who receive a waiver. The waivers in themselves infuriate me. Pass a mandate (aka law) where some individuals are allowed to be excluded while the rest of us must comply is utter BS to me.
 
Baralis said:
Unless you are one of the privileged few who receive a waiver. The waivers in themselves infuriate me. Pass a mandate (aka law) where some individuals are allowed to be excluded while the rest of us must comply is utter BS to me.
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Who is being excluded?
 
Baralis said:
COMMON CENTS: The List: Obamacare Waivers:
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You do understand that these waivers only last a year or two and do not exempt the mandate when it takes place in 2014, right? These waivers are simply giving companies more time to find new plans that are in accordance with the new regulations, they don't allow the company to just never offer insurance to their employees and it doesn't allow anybody, as far as I know, to just not follow the individual mandate.

These waivers were put into the bill just for this reason. If switching to the new rules are difficult for a company and would cause undue stress on them then they can receive a short term waiver just for more time. It's kinda like if your car fails it's inspection. They stick an orange sticker on your window and it's similar to a thirty day waiver to get it fixed and retested. That's not allowing the person to just say "**** the law", it's just simply giving them an extra thirty days to comply. Why that pisses you off I have no idea.

Were you under the impression that these waivers were permanent or something? Or that they exempted these companies from offering insurance to employees?
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Nobody is mandated to buy car insurance. You can buy a car and drive it on private property for 50 years legally without insurance. The obamacare mandate doesn't give you that kind of wiggle room, if you are breathing, you are mandated.

It appears that the ruling doesn't even talk about the Obama mandate per se, it specifies Virginia as not having a right to sue. That's pretty much where this ruling starts and where it stops.

I think this is very interesting for a whole host of reasons.
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Just show me how you can possibly opt out of emergent care. You get hurt, have no insurance, we all pay. Tell how we don't.
 
Doesn't this more or less say that the state had no right to sue the Fed? But it's ok the other way around?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Well then the argument is kind of hard to take valid then sense almost no roads are private...... If i buy a car what im a going to use it for if its just gonna sit in a garage or a driveway?
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Well, if you're a farmer, middle class, or own any good plot of land with a woods, or a backlot that no one owns but has dirt roads going through it, as if there was previous construction. perhaps almost no roads are private in 'your' area, but in states like Texas, they are quite common.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
There are many ranches out in Wyoming, etc whose acreage is counted in the thousands of acres. I could buy a 4 wheel drive truck and drive it all over the 10,000 acre ranch for 50 years and never need to register it.

The point is, you can buy and own a car and never have to buy insurance. You can't live and avoid having to pay insurance with the Obama plan.
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Ohhh i gotcha so just stay on your ranch all day and be a caveman... Gotcha..
 
jesus.... why do people always bring up auto insurance as a rebuttal to mandated health insurance?

first, auto insurance is not mandated if you don't own a car.... or drive on public roads... it's a condition of utilizing the privileged of driving on public roads.
2nd, the mandated part of auto insurance pays no benefits to you.. it pays to other people when you are at fault when you damage their property or health
3rd, auto insurance is not federally mandated... and it's not even mandated in every state. ( financial responsibility is mandated everywhere, for when you mess up someone else's property or health

mandated health insurance is based on the condition of being alive and legally residing within the borders of the united states.
it pays benefits for you... not anyone else.
it is federally mandated

please, think before using the auto insurance rebuttal... the 2 are nothing alike.
 
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