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    Re: Mental illness affects 38 percent of Europeans, study shows

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Actually it is MUCH higher.. because if the OP had bothered to read the study or read the other thread already going on with this story... started last week or so... then he would know that the study includes obese people as "mentally ill". Considering the amount of fat people in the US, then well....

    Just saying..
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    Re: Mental illness affects 38 percent of Europeans, study shows

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    I'm sorry but the first thing that came to my mind (mental illness and Europeans)....was socialism
    That's because you're one of those people with the mental illnesses: obsession with socialism.
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    Re: Mental illness affects 38 percent of Europeans, study shows

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Actually it is MUCH higher.. because if the OP had bothered to read the study or read the other thread already going on with this story... started last week or so... then he would know that the study includes obese people as "mentally ill". Considering the amount of fat people in the US, then well....

    Just saying..
    From the study:
    Because researchers in other areas use varying definitions of what constitutes mental illness, it's hard to compare European rates to those elsewhere, he said. The NIH estimates that about 26 percent of American adults have some type of mental disorder.
    Get help, Pete.

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    Re: Mental illness affects 38 percent of Europeans, study shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Psychiatrists are just trying to make money. ADHD/ADD is a hoax that is used to make money. Millions of parents struggle to afford their kid's medication and actually believe that their kids have a problem that needs to be treated. It's the same for bipolar disorder, OCD, aspergers, and a number of others of "mental illnesses." These disorders actually do exist in some people (rarely), and it's a huge insult to the people who actually struggle with them for psychiatrists to be mass diagnosing in order to receive mass profits.
    personally, i'm glad for the increase in awareness. i have had OCD since i was a young child, but i did not know what was wrong with me until age 19 when i skipped ahead in my psychology book. i was diagnosed soon after. i hate to think of other young kids wondering what the hell is going on in their minds and why they have to go back and touch the wall five times. understanding what i had was a big step in deciding how i was going to treat it.

    ADHD is probably overdiagnosed; i don't believe it's because of evil big industry as much as it is the convenience of calming down hyper kids. i think we should take a serious look at the consequences of this practice, and the bar should be set higher for medicating the disorder. however, i'm glad that parents and teachers are on the lookout for kids who are really suffering. even knowing what it is that one has is pretty important even if the parents decide not to treat with a prescription molecule.

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    Re: Mental illness affects 38 percent of Europeans, study shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Psychiatrists are just trying to make money. ADHD/ADD is a hoax that is used to make money. Millions of parents struggle to afford their kid's medication and actually believe that their kids have a problem that needs to be treated. It's the same for bipolar disorder, OCD, aspergers, and a number of others of "mental illnesses." These disorders actually do exist in some people (rarely), and it's a huge insult to the people who actually struggle with them for psychiatrists to be mass diagnosing in order to receive mass profits.
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    Re: Mental illness affects 38 percent of Europeans, study shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    From the study:
    That quote is not from the study. That quote is from the OP link and has nothing to do with the study. It is a quote from the NIH... the National Institute of Health... an American organisation... And the NIH estimates from its own statistics that 26% of American's have a mental disorder, but I will wager that the way that the NIH counts "mental and neurological disorders" is quite different than this European study on Europe.

    But I must admit.. obesity is not categorised as a mental disorder.. only bulimia and anorexia. But it does not change the fact that the list of disorders in the report is quite wide ranging, including things like sleeping disorders, ADHD and so on. And if the same conditions were put to the US statistics, then I would be very surprised if the amount of "mental" people would be smaller, since drug and alcohol addiction (yes even cannabis), ADHD and anti-social behaviour are part of the study.

    Get help, Pete.
    Actually you should Grant, since you seem to have an inability to distinguish between an AP article and a medical study.
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    Re: Mental illness affects 38 percent of Europeans, study shows

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    but I will wager that the way that the NIH counts "mental and neurological disorders" is quite different than this European study on Europe.

    But you don't really know, do you? Instead your making all of this up in your head, continuing your obsession with Americans and fantasizing about any possible mental disorders they may or may not have.

    This is not healthy.

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    Re: Mental illness affects 38 percent of Europeans, study shows

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I guess this explains alot.


    Mental illness affects 38 percent of Europeans, study shows - HealthPop - CBS News

    (CBS/AP) Is mental illness more common in Europe than in other parts of the world? Reliable statistics aren't readily available, but mental health experts expressed surprise over new research showing that 38 percent of the European population, or 165 million people, have a mental or neurological disorder.
    "Although the figure seems shockingly high, this is the most rigorous study done in Europe," said Graham Thornicroft, a professor of community psychiatry at the Institute of Psychiatry at King's College London, who was not linked to the study. "The real tragedy is that so few people with mental health problems receive treatment."
    Experts estimate that only one-third of people affected by the disorders get help.
    Researchers arrived at the eye-popping figure after reviewing data from previous studies involving more than 500 million people in 27 European countries, plus Switzerland, Iceland, and Norway. They considered more than 90 mental and neurological problems, including attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder and other problems that are more common in children as well as those typically found in the elderly, such as dementia.
    According to this abstract, its a pretty similar percentage in the US

    Lifetime prevalence of me... [J Am Acad Child Adolesc Psychiatry. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI

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    Anxiety disorders were the most common condition (31.9%), followed by behavior disorders (19.1%), mood disorders (14.3%), and substance use disorders (11.4%), with approximately 40% of participants with one class of disorder also meeting criteria for another class of lifetime disorder. The overall prevalence of disorders with severe impairment and/or distress was 22.2% (11.2% with mood disorders, 8.3% with anxiety disorders, and 9.6% behavior disorders). The median age of onset for disorder classes was earliest for anxiety (6 years), followed by 11 years for behavior, 13 years for mood, and 15 years for substance use disorders.
    More data :
    Prevalence of mental disorders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Previous widely cited large-scale surveys in the US were the Epidemiological Catchment Area (ECA) survey and subsequent National Comorbidity Survey (NCS). The NCS was replicated and updated between 2000 and 2003 and indicated that, of those groups of disorders assessed, nearly half of Americans (46.4%) reported meeting criteria at some point in their life for either a DSM-IV anxiety disorder (28.8%), mood disorder (20.8%), impulse-control disorder (24.8%) or substance use disorders (14.6%). Half of all lifetime cases had started by age 14 and 3/4 by age 24.[9] In the prior 12-month period only, around a quarter (26.2%) met criteria for any disorder—anxiety disorders 18.1%; mood disorders 9.5%; impulse control disorders 8.9%; and substance use disorders 3.8%. A substantial minority (23%) met criteria for more than two disorders. A minority (22.3%) of cases were classed as serious, 37.3% as moderate and 40.4% as mild.[10][11]
    yet even more data:

    Study: U.S. Leads In Mental Illness, Lags in Treatment

    Although parallel studies in 27 other countries are not yet complete, the new numbers suggest that the United States is poised to rank No. 1 globally for mental illness, researchers said.
    Lastly, I find it quite unfortunate that you would be laughing at the misfortune of others simply to prove an ideological point. We should be putting people before ideologies.

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    Re: Mental illness affects 38 percent of Europeans, study shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Psychiatrists are just trying to make money. ADHD/ADD is a hoax that is used to make money. Millions of parents struggle to afford their kid's medication and actually believe that their kids have a problem that needs to be treated. It's the same for bipolar disorder, OCD, aspergers, and a number of others of "mental illnesses." These disorders actually do exist in some people (rarely), and it's a huge insult to the people who actually struggle with them for psychiatrists to be mass diagnosing in order to receive mass profits.

    Just love folks who pretend they understand mental illness. Am I being glib?

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    Re: Mental illness affects 38 percent of Europeans, study shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Just love folks who pretend they understand mental illness. Am I being glib?
    We are at the age where we are starting to understand how neuron functions affect one's mental state and abilities. My guess (and its purely speculation) is that since we are starting to learn something about the operational mechanics of the brain, we classify lots of nonroutine functioning mental illness (of course this is not the only criteria in the DSM-IV). As we learn more, no doubt things will change (in what way, I have no idea) as different viewpoints take over as time goes on.

    I couldn't say that people are over or under diagnosed, however, many of these hoaxes that Voltaire is complaining about have actual physical components that we can discover through an MRI or by other means. For example ADHD is linked to fatty tissue around neurons and there are distinct MRI differences between an aspergers and neurotypical person. This means that diagnostics and science have gotten better with time, but as I mentioned above, we are still in the discovery stage in regard to what to do about this new info I think.

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