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Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

PzKfW IVe said:
I take back my commendation - your mindless attacks have taken up FAR too many posts.
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I'm mindless? That's funny. Why don't you admit Fox deceptively edited the video of Hoffa?
 
American said:
Couldn't miss a chance to try to defend Hoffa by trotting out these tiny white supremacist groups, could ya?
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Not even close...hoffa didnt threaten anyone...and white supremist groups dont exist ?
 
The whole thing is silly. Hoffa didn't threaten anyone with violence. Sarah Palin didn't incite violence with her targeting map. People on both sides need to calm the heck down and start discussing things rationally. Civilly.
 
pbrauer said:
It's seems to me your glossing over the fact Fox dishonestly edited the video. If you have a problem with what Hoffa said in total that's fine, but when you purposely distort what is said - that's lying plain and simple.
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I don't know if Fox edited the video like you say, but the fox link that I posted appears to contain the language you said was edited out. So how do we resolve the apparent conflict between a video and article from the same source?
 
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pbrauer said:
I think it's rather sad you won't admit Fox deceptively edited the video.
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I continue to laugh at your mindless attacks on Fox, all of which are nothing more than red herring to shift attention away from Hoffa's inflammatory rhetoric.
 
lpast said:
Not even close...hoffa didnt threaten anyone...and white supremist groups dont exist ?
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Oh good, you have Pete thanking you now....be proud my man! :thumbs: Hey, you bring up some extremist group that are so news worthy, that they are seldom ever seen; so you can defend Hoffa as some non-violent type of democrat. Where is you moderation, Mr Moderate?
 
American said:
I don't know if Fox edited the video like you say, but the fox link that I posted appears to contain the language you said was edited out. So how do we resolve the apparent conflict between a video and article from the same source?
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The video was doctored, here is what he said:

Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize,let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!
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You can take those words any way your heart desires, I can't control that, but I don't see them as threatening, I see him telling the union membership to make sure they get out and vote Nov 2012.

The article you posted from Fox is not the issue here. In fact, on their news segments Ed Henry of Fox News clearly states that Hoffa was speaking about the election.

But Fox also decided to put out an edited version of the speech.

Go to the OP and view the video, you can plainly see where they chopped his words. It just prior to him saying: ""Take These Son Of Bitches Out."
 
pbrauer said:
The video was doctored, here is what he said:



You can take those words any way your heart desires, I can't control that, but I don't see them as threatening, I see him telling the union membership to make sure they get out and vote Nov 2012.

The article you posted from Fox is not the issue here. In fact, on their news segments Ed Henry of Fox News clearly states that Hoffa was speaking about the election.

But Fox also decided to put out an edited version of the speech.

Go to the OP and view the video, you can plainly see where they chopped his words. It just prior to him saying: ""Take These Son Of Bitches Out."
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Was I arguing that some words were threatening?
 
Sensibility said:
People on both sides need to calm the heck down and start discussing things rationally. Civilly.
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As long as people like Hoffa and Palin are spewing the irrational, emotion-inducing rhetoric that they spew, the above can't happen. That's why I consider comments that employ violent rhetoric despicable.
 
Tucker Case said:
As long as people like Hoffa and Palin are spewing the irrational, emotion-inducing rhetoric that they spew, the above can't happen. That's why I consider comments that employ violent rhetoric despicable.
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That's irrelevant.
What REALLY matters here is that Fox edited the video!
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Tucker Case said:
As long as people like Hoffa and Palin are spewing the irrational, emotion-inducing rhetoric that they spew, the above can't happen. That's why I consider comments that employ violent rhetoric despicable.
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The words were taken out context by fair and balanced Fox. this is what hes said:



HOFFA: Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize,let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!
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pbrauer said:
What were you saying in post #83?
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Reading comprehension and disingenous quoting are your hallmarks, among other negatives. Possibly why most members gloss over your posts. I demonstrated that your buddy lpast was making a ridiculous comparison by using a white supremecy group.
 
pbrauer said:
The words were taken out context by fair and balanced Fox. this is what hes said:
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Something that you yourself have perfected.
 
pbrauer said:
The words were taken out context by fair and balanced Fox. this is what hes said:
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My comments are describing the entire, unedited statement. His speech was an emotional appeal that had nothing in the way of substance, and as an appeal to the irrational side of his supporters, it is detrimental to civil political discourse.
 
PzKfW IVe said:
That's irrelevant.
What REALLY matters here is that Fox edited the video!
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Unfortunately, as long as that kind of gamesmanship is being done to demonize one side while excusing the other for identical behaviors, intelligent and civil political discourse becomes even more unlikely.
 
Tucker Case said:
As long as people like Hoffa and Palin are spewing the irrational, emotion-inducing rhetoric that they spew, the above can't happen. That's why I consider comments that employ violent rhetoric despicable.
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The above (rational, civil discourse) CAN happen, people just CHOOSE not to engage in civil discourse. It is all a choice. Right now, the far left CHOOSES to view the right as a bunch of jackbooted, evil, racist Nazi fascists that want to kill grandma and throw the poor out into the street to starve. And the far right CHOOSES to view the left as Commie sympathizers intent on shredding the constitution, raising taxes to 100%, and imposing mandatory gay marriage on everyone.

People are CHOOSING to view the other side as cartoon caricatures, so their ears perk up when they hear anything remotely incendiary, and they CHOOSE to take the rhetoric the wrong way so they can raise a big stink about it and say, "See? That PROVES that the other side is the enemy! They're violent and hateful!"

It's all very childish, and it's what is driving sensible people out of the two main parties, in my opinion.
 
Sensibility said:
The above (rational, civil discourse) CAN happen, people just CHOOSE not to engage in civil discourse. It is all a choice. Right now, the far left CHOOSES to view the right as a bunch of jackbooted, evil, racist Nazi fascists that want to kill grandma and throw the poor out into the street to starve. And the far right CHOOSES to view the left as Commie sympathizers intent on shredding the constitution, raising taxes to 100%, and imposing mandatory gay marriage on everyone.

People are CHOOSING to view the other side as cartoon caricatures, so their ears perk up when they hear anything remotely incendiary, and they CHOOSE to take the rhetoric the wrong way so they can raise a big stink about it and say, "See? That PROVES that the other side is the enemy! They're violent and hateful!"

It's all very childish, and it's what is driving sensible people out of the two main parties, in my opinion.
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I completely agree that it's a choice that both sides are making. It's enough to make someone in the middle like me want to get a fully loaded semi-automatic.....


Just kidding. :2razz:
 
With a high-capacity magazine, no doubt... :mrgreen:
 
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Tucker Case said:
My comments are describing the entire, unedited statement. His speech was an emotional appeal that had nothing in the way of substance, and as an appeal to the irrational side of his supporters, it is detrimental to civil political discourse.
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So "YOU"think that his " Hoffa"energizing union members to get out and vote is appealing to thier irrational side and has no substance? Is that what you are trying to sell? I wonder why
 
EarlzP said:
So "YOU"think that his " Hoffa"energizing union members to get out and vote is appealing to thier irrational side and has no substance? Is that what you are trying to sell? I wonder why
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Why not? Appealing to irrationality with no substance works just fine for the "fair and balanced" folks.
 
EarlzP said:
So "YOU"think that his " Hoffa"energizing union members to get out and vote is appealing to thier irrational side and has no substance? Is that what you are trying to sell? I wonder why
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I'm saying that he is appealing to their irrational side in order to get them to get out and vote, instead of appealing to their rational side in order to get them to vote.

The way you said it was all screwed up because I'm not talking about him trying to get them to vote. I'm talking about the way that he is trying to get them to vote. Big difference.

BTW, what is the exact irrational conclusion that you have jumped to regarding my motivations that is implied by the "I wonder why" comment?
 
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