Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

Tucker Case said:

What about those of us who haven't changed our stances and consider this type of nonsense to be horse**** regardless of party?

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:thumbs up: good on you for not being part of the hyperventilating class.

Look forget the partisanship here for a sec...both sides do the same thing...everyday I get an email and everyone is more vicious towards obama than the next...the right has their white supremists that advocate violence.

Anyone without pure partisanship behind them knows that hoffa was NOT advocating any violence towards repubilcians or the teaparty specifically...it was a rally call for labor to start getting off their ass's and start fighting for themselves and to get ready to vote...and guess what...thats what hes supposed to do...

cpwill said:

:thumbs up: good on you for not being part of the hyperventilating class.

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It helps that I don't like either party and have been complaining about this kind of substance-less, emotional-appeal rhetoric for years now.

What exactly did President Hoffa do that was wrong?

haymarket said:

What exactly did President Hoffa do that was wrong?

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What he did wrong is the same thing politicians and supporters of both sides have been doing. He is continuing the "us versus them" mentality that has caused no cooperation or compromise in finding "real solutions" to the problems in this country.

Here's a hint to both sides. The GOP, Dems, liberals, and conservatives sides do not have it all right and it takes ideas and solutions from ALL sides to make this country great. The problem now is all sides think their way should be the ONLY way and now spend their time not in finding solutions but making sure the other side looks bad at all costs.

It's real sad and no side is clean in this mess.

Redress said:

This thread is a good example why no one takes hyperpartisans seriously.

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Sadly, that's not true.

Reasonable people generally don't.

"No one" taking them seriously would've meant that back during the Gabby Giffords things the media and many ost of the left wouldn't have exploded into the idiotic and ridiculous frenzy by doing the same thing as the story in the OP did, taking statements and treating them as if they're literal rather than looking at hte context, and claiming that the Tea Party and Republicans caused it because of "violent rhetoric".

To a point I can understand the OP's mindset...this is the exact kind of "rhetoric" that many on the left and the media had a cow with claiming it helped cause Gifford's shooting and the type of thing, if said by a Tea Party leader instead of a Union Leader, would've been added to the list of "violent rhetoric" by the "extemist group" of "teabaggers".

Redress said:

This thread is a good example why no one takes hyperpartisans seriously.

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Its amazing how your comment is so widely usable however. Such as with this asinine and factually incorrect statement.

PeteEU said:

There was very little "outrage" last time this came up.. that is until one of your own started a shooting spree targeting the political opposition...

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PeteEU said:

How is the weather over there on planet right wing paranoia and crazy?

Just because you keep repeating a small snip of what he said, does not mean that you are right or that the total meaning of what he said will change ....

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Not quite as toasty as it is in your euro liberal paradise...



but with more rhetoric like the Obama fundraiser...really...can it be far behind?

And shame on you for calling Loughner "one of your own". Regardless of his democrat party affiliation I really dont think you can totally blame the democrats for his killing spree.

cpwill said:

:lol: remember when the left wing in general and the media in particular were all aghast at the horror of the notion that someone would quote Jefferson at a Tea Party Rally, and how doesn't that mean that all conservatives are so full of anger and violence and rage?

yeah. Expect them to sort of take this with a shrug.




Jimmy Hoffa, of course, will naturally be held responsible by the media the next time some nutcase shoots at or otherwise assaults a Republican / Tea Party supporter. Right? Right?


oh, wait, no. not right. Because being a liberal means never being held responsible for your rhetoric.

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Tpyical right wing distortion of facts, It's about time that a union leader stands up and energises the voters. Unions have always ansd will always represent the best interest of the poor and middle class

Why don't you post some pics of the slaughter that Anders Breivik left behind in Norway?

And that's the thing. There is no place for violent rhetoric in politics, whichever side it comes from. But as a rule our politically charged acts of violence are committed by right-wing extremists -- not liberals.

haymarket said:

What exactly did President Hoffa do that was wrong?

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haymarket said:

It is clear to anyone being honest that Hoffa was talking about voting and the electoral process.

There is a war in this nation on workers in this nation and no less a dedicated capitalist tool than FORBES magazine has admitted it.

The Final Battle In The War Against Unions Is Underway - Forbes

There is a war on the progressive reforms of the 20th century which helped build and benefit the middle class in America and it is evident in the legislate agenda in state after state pushed by fascistic groups like ALEC and the CLUB FOR GROWTH and their tea party & GOP sycophants and toadies.

President Hoffa is merely the messenger of the truth that many do not want known because it alerts others to their unholy strategy to destroy America as we know it.

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And Haymarket swoops in to kind of highlight the OP's point. Remember these statements from Haymarket?

haymarket said:

Politicians who use repeated incendiary gun metaphors are the ones who need some mental health counseling. There is something seriously wrong with that and they are playing with fire.

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(I guess "gun" metaphors are bad, but "war", "army", and "take them out" metaphors and rhetoric is fine for Haymarket)

haymarket said:

My point was that we have to clean up extremist political rhetoric. . .These murders should be a wake up call to all politicians to clean up the rhetoric that is laced with violent images and language.

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Extreme political rhetoric laced with violent images and languages....bad and horrible things that must be cleaned up according to Haymarket, if you're on the right. If you're on the left THEN you're allowed to look at context and deem such things okay.

There was no regular poster on the site more quick to accuse the right wing of causing or contribuing to the Giffords shooting, rationalizing away maps by Democrats that had targets on Republicans as being wholey different than Palin's with cross hairs which could not, in any context by his measure, be thought of as anything but a clarion call for someone to shoot the Congresswoman.

The OP's point highlights well the ridiculousness of hyper partisans who went to great lengths to ignore context and common sense on the part of the Right's responsability in the Giffords shooting and yet will never utter a peep save for saying why its okay when someone on their side does it. Unfortunately for the OP, it also highlights that those on the right are incredibly dishonest about this as well. Much like some on the left's lying claim that they were only "searching for answers" when it was very clear they just want to attack the right, those on the right making a big deal of this are doing so under the guise that they just want to "point out hypocrisy" when in reality they want to attack the left for using the words but can't come right out and do it.

Politicians and partisans say stupid, hacky **** that is meant to fire up the base. Its dumb, its dumb when all sides do it, but its standard and common place. Hyper partisans, on both sides, are going to be ridiculous when comparing their reactions to the two. The sad thing is, many such hyper partisans actually exist within the media.

cpwill said:

:lol: remember when the left wing in general and the media in particular were all aghast at the horror of the notion that someone would quote Jefferson at a Tea Party Rally, and how doesn't that mean that all conservatives are so full of anger and violence and rage?

yeah. Expect them to sort of take this with a shrug.




Jimmy Hoffa, of course, will naturally be held responsible by the media the next time some nutcase shoots at or otherwise assaults a Republican / Tea Party supporter. Right? Right?


oh, wait, no. not right. Because being a liberal means never being held responsible for your rhetoric.

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Absolutely shocking to hear that kind of childish rhetoric coming from supposedly responsible adults; hard to believe. Unless you watch FOX News or listen to Rush Limbaugh; then it seems completely normal.

atrasicarius said:

Because they left out the bit where he mentioned he was talking about voting and made it sound like he was talking about actual violence. Duh.

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I could have sworn my link mentioned that.

Zyphlin said:

And Haymarket swoops in to kind of highlight the OP's point. Remember these statements from Haymarket?



(I guess "gun" metaphors are bad, but "war", "army", and "take them out" metaphors and rhetoric is fine for Haymarket)



Extreme political rhetoric laced with violent images and languages....bad and horrible things that must be cleaned up according to Haymarket, if you're on the right. If you're on the left THEN you're allowed to look at context and deem such things okay.

There was no regular poster on the site more quick to accuse the right wing of causing or contribuing to the Giffords shooting, rationalizing away maps by Democrats that had targets on Republicans as being wholey different than Palin's with cross hairs which could not, in any context by his measure, be thought of as anything but a clarion call for someone to shoot the Congresswoman.

The OP's point highlights well the ridiculousness of hyper partisans who went to great lengths to ignore context and common sense on the part of the Right's responsability in the Giffords shooting and yet will never utter a peep save for saying why its okay when someone on their side does it. Unfortunately for the OP, it also highlights that those on the right are incredibly dishonest about this as well. Much like some on the left's lying claim that they were only "searching for answers" when it was very clear they just want to attack the right, those on the right making a big deal of this are doing so under the guise that they just want to "point out hypocrisy" when in reality they want to attack the left for using the words but can't come right out and do it.

Politicians and partisans say stupid, hacky **** that is meant to fire up the base. Its dumb, its dumb when all sides do it, but its standard and common place. Hyper partisans, on both sides, are going to be ridiculous when comparing their reactions to the two. The sad thing is, many such hyper partisans actually exist within the media.

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Don't forget the Gifford gun raffle thread.

Zyphlin said:

Sadly, that's not true.

Reasonable people generally don't.

"No one" taking them seriously would've meant that back during the Gabby Giffords things the media and many ost of the left wouldn't have exploded into the idiotic and ridiculous frenzy by doing the same thing as the story in the OP did, taking statements and treating them as if they're literal rather than looking at hte context, and claiming that the Tea Party and Republicans caused it because of "violent rhetoric".

To a point I can understand the OP's mindset...this is the exact kind of "rhetoric" that many on the left and the media had a cow with claiming it helped cause Gifford's shooting and the type of thing, if said by a Tea Party leader instead of a Union Leader, would've been added to the list of "violent rhetoric" by the "extemist group" of "teabaggers".

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Worse than that, it was about smearing Sarah Palin, the most scary person in the entire Universe for the left.

TheNextEra said:

What he did wrong is the same thing politicians and supporters of both sides have been doing. He is continuing the "us versus them" mentality that has caused no cooperation or compromise in finding "real solutions" to the problems in this country.

Here's a hint to both sides. The GOP, Dems, liberals, and conservatives sides do not have it all right and it takes ideas and solutions from ALL sides to make this country great. The problem now is all sides think their way should be the ONLY way and now spend their time not in finding solutions but making sure the other side looks bad at all costs.



It's real sad and no side is clean in this mess.

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Never going to happen buddy...both sides have to project what can get them elected and thats all they are going to do...if the teaparty tried to compromise LIKE THEY SHOULD...their constituency would scream GET THEM OUT RINOS all of them....same thing with the dems just different rhetoric....some liberals want obama to have a primary challenge because hes not Liberal enough....get the picture ?

AdamT said:

Why don't you post some pics of the slaughter that Anders Breivik left behind in Norway?

And that's the thing. There is no place for violent rhetoric in politics, whichever side it comes from. But as a rule our politically charged acts of violence are committed by right-wing extremists -- not liberals.

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Sure...and you could post pics of the riots in LA...hell...the riots following sporting events. We have all kinds of tragic events here. And by all means...please cite the political rheotric that led to the OK city bombing. And other than a democrat ignoring one of her democrat constituents, Im not sure how you can blame rhetoric for the Arizona shootings. (Although it DID call for a pretty speech from the president about toning down rhetoric...how is THAT working?).

You did NOTE the bottom line of my post...correct? The London riots arent far away. Rheotric like Hoffas...you think thats helping? Speeches about Tea Party members wanting to lynch black folks...see them hanging from trees...you dont think **** is brewing?

Riots after sporting events aren't political. AFAIK no one really seems to know what the London riots were about. The truth is that in the U.S., the real threat of violence comes from right wing extremists. DHS understands this.

AdamT said:

Riots after sporting events aren't political. AFAIK no one really seems to know what the London riots were about. The truth is that in the U.S., the real threat of violence comes from right wing extremists. DHS understands this.

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Thats the propoganda **** we were talking about in the other thread... :lamo Seriously...you are like a walking, talking stereotype.

lpast said:

Look forget the partisanship here for a sec...both sides do the same thing...everyday I get an email and everyone is more vicious towards obama than the next...the right has their white supremists that advocate violence.
Anyone without pure partisanship behind them knows that hoffa was NOT advocating any violence towards repubilcians or the teaparty specifically...it was a rally call for labor to start getting off their ass's and start fighting for themselves and to get ready to vote...and guess what...thats what hes supposed to do...

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Couldn't miss a chance to try to defend Hoffa by trotting out these tiny white supremacist groups, could ya?

VanceMack said:

Thats the propoganda **** we were talking about in the other thread... :lamo Seriously...you are like a walking, talking stereotype.

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The Federal Building wasn't propoganda, but it was the second worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil. The Giffords shooting wasn't propoganda. The Austin plane crash wasn't propoganda. The facts speak for themselves.

Grim17 said:

He is ranting against the right, so the main stream media doesn't give a ****.

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What the media should report is that Fox dishonestly doctored the video but they won't. An edit mark can be seen clearly just prior to Hoffa saying: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out." Watch closely and you will see the level of the camera abruptly change. As they say, parts ended up on the floor. Does anyone need more evidence that Fox is dishonest?

AdamT said:

Riots after sporting events aren't political. AFAIK no one really seems to know what the London riots were about. The truth is that in the U.S., the real threat of violence comes from right wing extremists. DHS understands this.

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Right...we just have no clue...



BBC News - London rioters: 'Showing the rich we do what we want'
Mother of 13-year-old who smashed up shop blames government - Telegraph

Oh...its the government innit?

pbrauer said:

What the media should report is that Fox dishonestly doctored the video but they won't. An edit mark can be seen clearly just prior to Hoffa saying: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out." Watch closely and you will see the level of the camera abruptly change. As they say, parts ended up on the floor. Does anyone need more evidence that Fox is dishonest?

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Notice how it's always only Fox videos that seem to rile up the left, while the rest of the MSM leans left on almost everything they do (words spoken by news anchors)? Clean your own house first my friend.

AdamT said:

The Federal Building wasn't propoganda, but it was the second worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil. The Giffords shooting wasn't propoganda. The Austin plane crash wasn't propoganda. The facts speak for themselves.

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Right...two of those three were democrats that just went bonkers.