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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Do you have any proof that these aren't Rightists there to misrepresent what the group stands for? I don't recall seeing any union cards in the video.
    Are you denying these are union members?

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you denying these are union members?
    Are you denying that people carrying stupid signs are Tea Partiers?

    How do we know? If leftists are infiltrating the Tea Party to make them look bad, maybe rightists are drinking and smoking pot on camera and saying they're union.
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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Even with the first part you have in bold it still sounds like a call to violence considering who Hoffa is and what the history is of his family and movement.
    Fail.

    I would say, the war rhetoric is at least as bad as Sarah Palin's cross hairs. That is, it is much ado about nothing.

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Do you have any proof that these aren't Rightists there to misrepresent what the group stands for? I don't recall seeing any union cards in the video.
    The 'workers' were identified and and subsequently fired.

    There has been no history of 'rightists' impersonating Union members, but of course the Left has a history of pretending they are Tea Party members.

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Fail.

    I would say, the war rhetoric is at least as bad as Sarah Palin's cross hairs. That is, it is much ado about nothing.
    If you and other Americans are okay with that sort of language then it will only get worse. Otherwise it should be condemned as it happens.

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    As this debate grinds on...and everyone bitches about corporate salaries...I wonder how those that speak out for the poor oppressed union workers feel about this...
    "The Center for Public Integrity found compensation for leaders of the 10 largest unions ranged from $173,000 at the United Auto Workers to $618,000 at the Laborers' International Union of North America, and almost $480,000 for the president of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees."

    • National Education Association. Membership: 3.2 million; assets: $216 million. The NEA, representing most of the nation's teachers, has 31 headquarters officers and employees who earn more than $200,000 in pay and benefits. The president, Dennis Van Roekel, received $397,721 in salary and benefits. Of the $3.7 million NEA spent on political activities in the last election cycle, 98% went to Democratic candidates. The NEA has 98,000 members in Wisconsin.

    • Service Employees International Union. Membership: 1.8 million; assets: $187 million. The SEIU, whose membership has increased in recent years, has been organizing hospital, home care and nursing home workers, along with local and state government employees, janitors and security officers. The union has nine headquarters officers and employees who earn more than $200,000. The former president, Andy Stern, was paid $306,388 in salary and benefits from the union in 2009. Stern resigned in 2010 and was replaced by Mary Kay Henry, formerly the executive vice president. Over the past two years, SEIU gave almost $2 million to Democratic candidates and $8,500 to Republicans. It has 18,000 members in Wisconsin.

    • United Food & Commercial Workers. Membership: 1.3 million; assets: $157 million. The UFCW, whose members work in meatpacking, food processing and retail grocery stores, has 17 headquarters officers and employees who earn more than $200,000. The president, Joseph T. Hansen, received $360,737 in compensation in 2009. Of the $1.9 million the union donated to political candidates over the past two years, 99% of it went to Democrats.

    • International Brotherhood of Teamsters: Membership: 1.3 million; assets: $175 million. The Teamsters, whose origins date to the horse- and mule-team drivers of the late 1800s, represent truck drivers and a wide array of blue-collar and government workers. Eight headquarters officers and employees received more than $200,000 in 2009. The president, James P. Hoffa, was compensated $364,869. Over the past two years, the Teamsters have donated $2.3 million to Democratic candidates and $46,500 to Republicans.

    • American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees. Membership: 1.5 million; assets: $78 million. AFSCME, one of the fastest growing unions in the United States, was founded in Wisconsin almost 80 years ago. At union headquarters in Washington, 10 officers and employees receive more than $200,000 a year. McEntee was paid $479,328 in salary and benefits in 2009. Over the past two years, AFSCME has donated $2.3 million to Democratic candidates and $78,500 to Republicans.

    • Laborers' International Union of North America. Membership: 633,000; assets: $134 million. The Laborers represent mostly construction workers in 500 locals in the U.S. The headquarters in Washington has 17 officers and employees who earn more than $200,000 a year, including 10 who earn more than $300,000. Terence O'Sullivan, union president since 2000, received $618,000 in salary and benefits in 2009. Of the $1.7 million donated to political candidates over the past two years, 95% went to Democrats.

    • American Federation of Teachers. Membership: 887,000; assets: $115 million. AFT is the smaller of the two teacher unions and also represents school support staff, higher education faculty and staff, health care professionals and state and municipal employees. At AFT's headquarters in Washington, nine officers and employees earn more than $200,000 a year. Randi Weingarten, who was elected president in 2008, received $428,284 in salary and benefits. Of the $2.4 million donated to political candidates in the past two years, the union gave all but $10,000 to Democrats.

    • International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. Membership: 685,000; assets: $482 million. IBEW represents electricians, linemen and other public utility employees, along with some computer, telecommunications and broadcasting workers. Sixteen of the IBEW's officers and employees in Washington earned more than $200,000 in 2009. Edwin D. Hill, the union president since 2001, received $375,767 in pay and benefits. Hill and other top officials received salary increases averaging at least 4% each in the past several years, even as membership declined by 5%.

    • International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers. Membership: 613,000; assets: $147 million. IAM, which grew out of a secret meeting of 19 machinists in a Georgia rail yard in 1888, represents machinists and aerospace workers in more than 200 industries. At the union's Maryland headquarters near Washington, 34 officers and employees earn over $200,000 in salary and benefits. Robert Buffenbarger, who became president in 1997, received $284,975. Over the past two years, the IAM donated $1.98 million to Democratic candidates and $34,000 to Republicans.

    • United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Implement Workers of America. Membership: 538,000; assets: $1.2 billion. The UAW, founded in 1935 by automobile plant workers, currently represents workers at General Motors, Ford and Chrysler, along with workers in the aerospace and agriculture industries. None of the officers or employees at the UAW headquarters in Detroit earns more than $200,000 a year. Over the past two years, the UAW donated more than $1.6 million to political candidates, and all but $3,000 went to Democrats.

    So...they do alright for themselves, huh? And that doesnt include people like Joseph Senese, who runs the Oak Brook-based National Production Workers Union. Senese, the son of late Teamsters boss and reputed mobster Dominick Senese, was paid $345,000 in 2002, records show. With expenses and allowances, he took home $385,000.

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The 'workers' were identified and and subsequently fired.

    There has been no history of 'rightists' impersonating Union members, but of course the Left has a history of pretending they are Tea Party members.
    Yep, no political dirty tricks on the Right....Here's another glass of Kool-Aid for you.


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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you and other Americans are okay with that sort of language then it will only get worse. Otherwise it should be condemned as it happens.
    I support freedom of speech. Enough Americans support the right to ensure that it will continue. It was clear that he was not calling them to action for a violent war, but for a political war or contest.

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    I support freedom of speech. Enough Americans support the right to ensure that it will continue. It was clear that he was not calling them to action for a violent war, but for a political war or contest.
    Yes, a political war against his fellow Americans.

    I don't think this coarsening of American society is a good thing but if this has actually become a free speech issue, rather than a lack of respect or those holding opposing points of view, then I'll support free speech also.

    It seems that the standards of free speech have become quite low. Or he might have been playing to his audience, a group known to have occasionally aggressive tendencies. Either way abusive rhetoric seems to have become the norm, as has the political violence with ready made and self-serving excuses.

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    As this debate grinds on...and everyone bitches about corporate salaries...I wonder how those that speak out for the poor oppressed union workers feel about this...
    "The Center for Public Integrity found compensation for leaders of the 10 largest unions ranged from $173,000 at the United Auto Workers to $618,000 at the Laborers' International Union of North America, and almost $480,000 for the president of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees."

    • National Education Association. Membership: 3.2 million; assets: $216 million. The NEA, representing most of the nation's teachers, has 31 headquarters officers and employees who earn more than $200,000 in pay and benefits. The president, Dennis Van Roekel, received $397,721 in salary and benefits. Of the $3.7 million NEA spent on political activities in the last election cycle, 98% went to Democratic candidates. The NEA has 98,000 members in Wisconsin.

    • Service Employees International Union. Membership: 1.8 million; assets: $187 million. The SEIU, whose membership has increased in recent years, has been organizing hospital, home care and nursing home workers, along with local and state government employees, janitors and security officers. The union has nine headquarters officers and employees who earn more than $200,000. The former president, Andy Stern, was paid $306,388 in salary and benefits from the union in 2009. Stern resigned in 2010 and was replaced by Mary Kay Henry, formerly the executive vice president. Over the past two years, SEIU gave almost $2 million to Democratic candidates and $8,500 to Republicans. It has 18,000 members in Wisconsin.

    • United Food & Commercial Workers. Membership: 1.3 million; assets: $157 million. The UFCW, whose members work in meatpacking, food processing and retail grocery stores, has 17 headquarters officers and employees who earn more than $200,000. The president, Joseph T. Hansen, received $360,737 in compensation in 2009. Of the $1.9 million the union donated to political candidates over the past two years, 99% of it went to Democrats.

    • International Brotherhood of Teamsters: Membership: 1.3 million; assets: $175 million. The Teamsters, whose origins date to the horse- and mule-team drivers of the late 1800s, represent truck drivers and a wide array of blue-collar and government workers. Eight headquarters officers and employees received more than $200,000 in 2009. The president, James P. Hoffa, was compensated $364,869. Over the past two years, the Teamsters have donated $2.3 million to Democratic candidates and $46,500 to Republicans.

    • American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees. Membership: 1.5 million; assets: $78 million. AFSCME, one of the fastest growing unions in the United States, was founded in Wisconsin almost 80 years ago. At union headquarters in Washington, 10 officers and employees receive more than $200,000 a year. McEntee was paid $479,328 in salary and benefits in 2009. Over the past two years, AFSCME has donated $2.3 million to Democratic candidates and $78,500 to Republicans.

    • Laborers' International Union of North America. Membership: 633,000; assets: $134 million. The Laborers represent mostly construction workers in 500 locals in the U.S. The headquarters in Washington has 17 officers and employees who earn more than $200,000 a year, including 10 who earn more than $300,000. Terence O'Sullivan, union president since 2000, received $618,000 in salary and benefits in 2009. Of the $1.7 million donated to political candidates over the past two years, 95% went to Democrats.

    • American Federation of Teachers. Membership: 887,000; assets: $115 million. AFT is the smaller of the two teacher unions and also represents school support staff, higher education faculty and staff, health care professionals and state and municipal employees. At AFT's headquarters in Washington, nine officers and employees earn more than $200,000 a year. Randi Weingarten, who was elected president in 2008, received $428,284 in salary and benefits. Of the $2.4 million donated to political candidates in the past two years, the union gave all but $10,000 to Democrats.

    • International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. Membership: 685,000; assets: $482 million. IBEW represents electricians, linemen and other public utility employees, along with some computer, telecommunications and broadcasting workers. Sixteen of the IBEW's officers and employees in Washington earned more than $200,000 in 2009. Edwin D. Hill, the union president since 2001, received $375,767 in pay and benefits. Hill and other top officials received salary increases averaging at least 4% each in the past several years, even as membership declined by 5%.

    • International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers. Membership: 613,000; assets: $147 million. IAM, which grew out of a secret meeting of 19 machinists in a Georgia rail yard in 1888, represents machinists and aerospace workers in more than 200 industries. At the union's Maryland headquarters near Washington, 34 officers and employees earn over $200,000 in salary and benefits. Robert Buffenbarger, who became president in 1997, received $284,975. Over the past two years, the IAM donated $1.98 million to Democratic candidates and $34,000 to Republicans.

    • United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Implement Workers of America. Membership: 538,000; assets: $1.2 billion. The UAW, founded in 1935 by automobile plant workers, currently represents workers at General Motors, Ford and Chrysler, along with workers in the aerospace and agriculture industries. None of the officers or employees at the UAW headquarters in Detroit earns more than $200,000 a year. Over the past two years, the UAW donated more than $1.6 million to political candidates, and all but $3,000 went to Democrats.

    So...they do alright for themselves, huh? And that doesnt include people like Joseph Senese, who runs the Oak Brook-based National Production Workers Union. Senese, the son of late Teamsters boss and reputed mobster Dominick Senese, was paid $345,000 in 2002, records show. With expenses and allowances, he took home $385,000.
    So what is your point are you envious? Here is some thing to be envious of these people get to go to work every day and manipulate the stock markets picking winners and losers and guess who does not lose the average GS employee making $622,000per year, for what and how?

    Good deal: Average Goldman Sachs employee makes $622,000 - The Boston Globe

    Good deal: Average Goldman Sachs employee makes $622,000
    By Robert Gavin, Globe Staff | December 12, 2006

    After making record profits, Wall Street giant Goldman Sachs Group Inc. reported that it will pay its workers an average of $622,000 this year.

    That's more than three times the average salary of a Massachusetts surgeon; four times that of a Massachusetts chief executive; and nearly 12 times that of a Massachusetts high school teacher, according to the state's Department of Workforce Development.

    "Wow," said Aaron Green, founder and chief executive of Professional Staffing Group, a job placement firm in Boston. "I've got to get a job there."

    The big pay day at Goldman Sachs is the product of a big year on Wall Street and an even bigger year for Goldman, which yesterday reported the highest annual profits ever for a securities firm. Buoyed by rising stock and commodity prices, and record corporate takeovers, Goldman's profit jumped 70 percent from a year earlier, to around $9.5 billion -- more than the top five Wall Street firms earned in both 2001 and 2002.

    As a result, Goldman set aside about $16.5 billion for salary, bonuses, and benefits for its 26,000 employees. That averages to more than $600,000 a person.

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