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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Is there some reason that you left out right winger Adolph Hitler? Let's be conseravite and say 18 million.

    Perhaps we should go as far back as the conservative Confederacy? 625,000 American casualties. Let's not even go into the slaves....

    But of course we're talking about the present, so it's all a bit of a diversion, isn't it.
    OMG!!! A libbo turned loose with historical facts and as usual, screws the pooch.

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Somehow I knew this was coming....

    I think its obvious to most here that you are not a professor of history

    First of all I'm not going to get into the whole Hitler thing but I think its pretty obvious that he had almost nothing in common with todays conservative movement. He wasnt religious, he wasnt an ardent supporter of free market capitolism, his ecomomic policies modeled niether the left or the right but a mixture of both.

    But he did believe in top heavy big federal goverment that dictates just about everything (which party does this remind you of today?) In his early years he also hung around a character by the named of Ernst Rohn a socialist.

    So despite all the left wing rhetoric that Hitler was a so called right winger I think that there is no real evidence to support this. As far as how many he killed the number I see is 11 million, not nearly as much as the left wing commie marxist types I mentioned earlier.

    Then to even bring the Civil war into this argument is beyond stupid

    As far as diversions go, I think you and your president are trying to divert us from the crummy job he is doing and the failed big goverment Liberal policies that we are now experiencing.
    Anyone familiar with history will tell you that Hitler was a far right extremist. He was a raging nationalist who believed in German exceptionalism and racial purity. He was a friend to wealth industrialists and an enemy to labor (for example, he abolished unions, collective bargaining, and the right to strike).

    As Hitler himself wrote:
    "The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood." (4)

    "The state is a means to an end. Its end lies in the preservation and advancement of a community of physically and psychically homogenous creatures. This preservation itself comprises first of all existence as a race… Thus, the highest purpose of a folkish state is concern for the preservation of those original racial elements which bestow culture and create the beauty and dignity of a higher mankind. We, as Aryans, can conceive of the state only as the living organism of a nationality which… assures the preservation of this nationality…" (5)

    "The German Reich as a state must embrace all Germans and has the task, not only of assembling and preserving the most valuable stocks of basic racial elements in this people, but slowly and surely of raising them to a dominant position."

    This sound familiar? "It must never be forgotten that nothing that is really great in this world has ever been achieved by coalitions, but that it has always been the success of a single victor. Coalition successes bear by the very nature of their origin the germ of future crumbling, in fact of the loss of what has already been achieved. Great, truly world-shaking revolutions of a spiritual nature are not even conceivable and realizable except as the titanic struggles of individual formations, never as enterprises of coalitions."

    "In the years 1913 and 1914, I… expressed the conviction that the question of the future of the German nation was the question of destroying Marxism."

    "The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight."

    "1935 will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." - Adolf Hitler

    "The folkish state must not adjust its entire educational work primarily to the inoculation of mere knowledge, but to the breeding of absolutely healthy bodies. The training of mental abilities is only secondary. And here again, first place must be taken by the development of character, especially the promotion of will-power and determination, combined with the training of joy in responsibility, and only in last place comes scientific schooling."

    "The great masses of people do not consist of philosophers; precisely for the masses, [religious] faith is often the sole foundation of a moral attitude… For the political man, the value of a religion must be estimated less by its deficiencies than by the virtue of a visibly better substitute. As long as this appears to be lacking, what is present can be demolished only by fools or criminals."

    "For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else he has no right to be in politics…"

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Anyone familiar with history will tell you that Hitler was a far right extremist. He was a raging nationalist who believed in German exceptionalism and racial purity. He was a friend to wealth industrialists and an enemy to labor (for example, he abolished unions, collective bargaining, and the right to strike).

    As Hitler himself wrote:
    "The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood." (4)

    "The state is a means to an end. Its end lies in the preservation and advancement of a community of physically and psychically homogenous creatures. This preservation itself comprises first of all existence as a race… Thus, the highest purpose of a folkish state is concern for the preservation of those original racial elements which bestow culture and create the beauty and dignity of a higher mankind. We, as Aryans, can conceive of the state only as the living organism of a nationality which… assures the preservation of this nationality…" (5)

    "The German Reich as a state must embrace all Germans and has the task, not only of assembling and preserving the most valuable stocks of basic racial elements in this people, but slowly and surely of raising them to a dominant position."

    This sound familiar? "It must never be forgotten that nothing that is really great in this world has ever been achieved by coalitions, but that it has always been the success of a single victor. Coalition successes bear by the very nature of their origin the germ of future crumbling, in fact of the loss of what has already been achieved. Great, truly world-shaking revolutions of a spiritual nature are not even conceivable and realizable except as the titanic struggles of individual formations, never as enterprises of coalitions."

    "In the years 1913 and 1914, I… expressed the conviction that the question of the future of the German nation was the question of destroying Marxism."

    "The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight."

    "1935 will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." - Adolf Hitler

    "The folkish state must not adjust its entire educational work primarily to the inoculation of mere knowledge, but to the breeding of absolutely healthy bodies. The training of mental abilities is only secondary. And here again, first place must be taken by the development of character, especially the promotion of will-power and determination, combined with the training of joy in responsibility, and only in last place comes scientific schooling."

    "The great masses of people do not consist of philosophers; precisely for the masses, [religious] faith is often the sole foundation of a moral attitude… For the political man, the value of a religion must be estimated less by its deficiencies than by the virtue of a visibly better substitute. As long as this appears to be lacking, what is present can be demolished only by fools or criminals."

    "For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else he has no right to be in politics…"
    You know that Hitler was a socialist, right?

    You need to stop trying to define history by modern standards. It will be a loser for you.

    Just like your 625,000 figure about the Civil War.

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You know that Hitler was a socialist, right?

    You need to stop trying to define history by modern standards. It will be a loser for you.

    Just like your 625,000 figure about the Civil War.
    Hitler was not a socialist. Good lord. Read a history book.

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hitler was not a socialist. Good lord. Read a history book.
    Yes, he was. First, he was a member of the German Worker's party, then the National Socialist German Workers party.

    You think that the word, "Socialist", was used on accident?

    I suggest you read an actual history book, vice getting your historical facts from Libbo journalists and hearsay at the coffee shop.

    There's stuff all over the net that shows that Hitler wasn't a Right Wing Conservative.

    http://democraticpeace.wordpress.com...s-a-socialist/

    It's idiotic to think that he was.
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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes, he was. First, he was a member of the German Worker's party, then the National Socialist German Workers party.

    You think that the word, "Socialist", was used on accident?

    I suggest you read an actual history book, vice getting your historical facts from Libbo journalists and hearsay at the coffee shop.

    There's stuff all over the net that shows that Hitler wasn't a Right Wing Conservative.

    Hitler Was A Socialist, (And Not A Right Wing Conservative) DemocraticPeace Blog

    It's idiotic to think that he was.
    Yes, the Nationalist Socialist party had nothing to do with socialism, any more than the German Democratic Republic (East Germany, for your benefit) had anything to do with Democracy.

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I guess it's just me, but I generally credit a war to the team that fired the first shots.
    It is just you. Sending in warships and re-supplying a fort with the full intention of blockading another country's trade and impose foreign tariffs collections are acts of war in everybody's book.

    Lincoln knew this, and almost every one of his advisors advised him not to. He started the war, intentionally, and the historical record is very clear. Even his own Party's newspapers said as much at the time. It's pretty tough to spend milllions of dollars on the military for months, refuse any attempts at resolution, commit deliberate acts of war and then proclaim innocence in starting one. Firing the first shot is completely irrelevant.
    At what point did history become ethics? Why should we subvert the elusive search for facts to moralist concerns? If you want to be a preacher, go preach. If you want to save the world, go into politics. If you want to invent a world free of evil, take Prozac. -Dave Williams, George Mason Univ.

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, the Nationalist Socialist party had nothing to do with socialism, any more than the German Democratic Republic (East Germany, for your benefit) had anything to do with Democracy.
    And you want me to read a history book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I guess it's just me, but I generally credit a war to the team that fired the first shots.
    Yep! It's just you.

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    Re: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

    Nationalism is not a right wing monopoly. In fact, the Nazi Party embraced left wingers as well.

    National Bolshevism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    See also Strasserism.
    At what point did history become ethics? Why should we subvert the elusive search for facts to moralist concerns? If you want to be a preacher, go preach. If you want to save the world, go into politics. If you want to invent a world free of evil, take Prozac. -Dave Williams, George Mason Univ.

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