46 Shot Across City in Weekend of Violence

46 Shot Across City in Weekend of Violence | NBC New York

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Three men shot in broad daylight along a parade route in Brooklyn Monday were among more than 40 injured by gunfire during a Labor Day weekend of violence.

The latest violence came Monday evening when police say a NYPD officer was shot in the arm. Two other civilians were shot dead along Park Place in the Crown Heights neighborhood. Another person was in critical condition after being shot, sources said.
Earlier in the afternoon, police said two men were shot -- one in the leg, and one in the stomach -- along the West Indian Day Parade on Eastern Parkway. Police chased the suspect, who fled on foot. The suspect remains at large.

A third victim was shot in the leg later in the afternoon.

The victims were brought to Kings County Hospital.

Since Saturday morning, there have been at least 46 people shot in the city, with one other fatality.

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This raises a number of questions for me :

1 - Is it a regular occurrence that close to 50 people get shot over any given weekend in New York?

2 - If no, Why do you figure there is such a surge in violence?

3 - How is it that the first suggestion to come out is more gun control?? (New York is already one of the areas with the tightest gun control on the books) Do you support this idea or do you have an alternate suggestion that would be workable?

When I first saw this article I thought it was a mass shooting... but it seems that this is a case of a whole lot of people getting trigger happy, since the incidents seem to be spread across areas of the city.

BmanMcfly said:

46 Shot Across City in Weekend of Violence | NBC New York


This raises a number of questions for me :

1 - Is it a regular occurrence that close to 50 people get shot over any given weekend in New York?

2 - If no, Why do you figure there is such a surge in violence?

3 - How is it that the first suggestion to come out is more gun control?? (New York is already one of the areas with the tightest gun control on the books) Do you support this idea or do you have an alternate suggestion that would be workable?

When I first saw this article I thought it was a mass shooting... but it seems that this is a case of a whole lot of people getting trigger happy, since the incidents seem to be spread across areas of the city.

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Yeah, but we all know that fewer guns means fewer guns crimes. The Libbos said so.

From the OP link:
Sunday morning, Mayor Bloomberg spoke out against the incidents over the weekend, which at that point was at 25.

"There are just too many guns on the streets and we have to do something about it," he said, and urged for more federal control and stricter gun control laws across the country. "

While AZ has shootings, nothing like the OP's report. and AZ is an open carry, concealed weapons State. It is not that their are too many guns on the street, its too many idiots.

The problem isn't that there are too many guns on the street. The problem is that, due to gun control laws, the guns all belong to the wrong people.

BmanMcfly said:

46 Shot Across City in Weekend of Violence | NBC New York


This raises a number of questions for me :

1 - Is it a regular occurrence that close to 50 people get shot over any given weekend in New York?

2 - If no, Why do you figure there is such a surge in violence?

3 - How is it that the first suggestion to come out is more gun control?? (New York is already one of the areas with the tightest gun control on the books) Do you support this idea or do you have an alternate suggestion that would be workable?

When I first saw this article I thought it was a mass shooting... but it seems that this is a case of a whole lot of people getting trigger happy, since the incidents seem to be spread across areas of the city.

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Slow day for New York, eh?

There does appear to be over 8 million people residing in the city.

Ikari said:

Slow day for New York, eh?

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In that case, the issue is WHY are they (government people) making such a big issue of this NOW?

BmanMcfly said:

1 - Is it a regular occurrence that close to 50 people get shot over any given weekend in New York?

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In the US there are about 200,000 non-fatal shootings a year. That means about 1 out of every 1,555 people are shot in the US each year, but don't die. So, that's 1 in every 567,575 that are shot each day. For a three day weekend, that would be 1 in every 189,191. New York has 8,175,133 people, so 46 is 1 out of every 177,720. So, this weekend was pretty much in line with the national average.

teamosil said:

In the US there are about 200,000 non-fatal shootings a year. That means about 1 out of every 1,555 people are shot in the US each year, but don't die. So, that's 1 in every 567,575 that are shot each day. For a three day weekend, that would be 1 in every 189,191. New York has 8,175,133 people, so 46 is 1 out of every 177,720. So, this weekend was pretty much in line with the national average.

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So, that means that this was an article made up to scare people away from guns and to pass even more strict gun control, to make sure that even fewer of the people that SHOULD be allowed to carry WILL carry and so that MORE people that should NOT be carrying will carry illegally.

BmanMcfly said:

So, that means that this was an article made up to scare people away from guns and to pass even more strict gun control, to make sure that even fewer of the people that SHOULD be allowed to carry WILL carry and so that MORE people that should NOT be carrying will carry illegally.

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Look at the source (NBC). What is their political leaning? Of course news media loves to sensationalize events. They also like to use events to in a round about fashion inject political views without directly saying so. News like to play to peoples emotions at time.

BmanMcfly said:

So, that means that this was an article made up to scare people away from guns and to pass even more strict gun control, to make sure that even fewer of the people that SHOULD be allowed to carry WILL carry and so that MORE people that should NOT be carrying will carry illegally.

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My impression is that the reason the news media tends to play up crime is pretty much just ratings. Crime is more exciting than other kinds of news. The fact is that violent crime in the US has been falling rapidly ever since the mid 90s. The current violent crime rate is a stunning HALF of what it was in the mid 90s. Last year most major cities reported the lowest number of murders per capita that they have since the 50s or 60s.

IMO that could be either an argument for or against gun control. On one hand, it makes the self defense argument weaker. If there is less to defend against, then the pretty overwhelming statistics about accidental shootings outweigh (I buy this). On the other hand, people can argue either that the reason crime is down is because of guns (I don't buy that one at all) or they can argue that it is evidence that guns are being misused less (I buy this to an extent).

The important thing though to my mind is that people get the paranoia in check. We live in a very low crime era of US history. That means we should be letting our kids play around the neighborhood without watching over them like hawks for example. The odds of a kid getting kidnapped by a stranger are presently around 1 in 1.5 million. Compare that to the odds that they die by drinking a household cleaner somebody left in an accessible place in the house- around 1 in 10,000. The crime hysteria that seems to be constantly sweeping this country is completely unfounded and IMO it's making us into a less open, less friendly, less welcoming nation.

BmanMcfly said:

46 Shot Across City in Weekend of Violence | NBC New York


This raises a number of questions for me :

1 - Is it a regular occurrence that close to 50 people get shot over any given weekend in New York?

2 - If no, Why do you figure there is such a surge in violence?

3 - How is it that the first suggestion to come out is more gun control?? (New York is already one of the areas with the tightest gun control on the books) Do you support this idea or do you have an alternate suggestion that would be workable?

When I first saw this article I thought it was a mass shooting... but it seems that this is a case of a whole lot of people getting trigger happy, since the incidents seem to be spread across areas of the city.

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Sounds like gang violence to me.

Many here suffering tremendous or old misconception.
(and ergo making false-premise conclusions on Gun Control too)

NYC is the Safest Big City in America, and has been so for many years.
Even more so for places like Midtown Manhattan where most visitors come. The rate there is Even Lower yet.
Most crime in the tougher boroughs of Brooklyn, Bronx, etc.

New York Remains Safest Big U.S. City as Crime Declines 5%, Mayor Says
By Henry Goldman - Sep 13, 2010
New York Remains Safest Big U.S. City as Crime Declines 5%, Mayor Says - Bloomberg

New York City’s major crime rate fell 5.1% in 2009, and its 471 murders represented an annual decline of 9.9% compared with the national average of 7.2%, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.

FBI crime data showed that of the 25 largest U.S. cities New York recorded 2,242 “index crimes” of murder, rape, robbery, assault, burglary, larceny and auto theft for every 100,000 residents,
the mayor’s office said today in a news release. San Jose, California, was ranked second with 2,746 such crimes per 100,000, and San Diego third, with 2,903 per 100,000.

Among 266 U.S. cities with populations larger than 100,000 the city’s crime rate placed it 248th, between Garden Grove, California and Sunnyvale, California. No other city with more than 262,000 people was deemed safer than New York, the mayor’s office said.
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Bloomberg should be doing a nickel in USP Terra Haute for conspiring to violate the gun laws of the USA and of several states. He had, without the authority of either the federal government or the attorney General of the state of Ohio, his minions attend gun shows in Ohio and other states trying to buy guns illegally. That is a conspiracy and a federal felony