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    Re: 46 Shot Across City in Weekend of Violence

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    So, that means that this was an article made up to scare people away from guns and to pass even more strict gun control, to make sure that even fewer of the people that SHOULD be allowed to carry WILL carry and so that MORE people that should NOT be carrying will carry illegally.
    My impression is that the reason the news media tends to play up crime is pretty much just ratings. Crime is more exciting than other kinds of news. The fact is that violent crime in the US has been falling rapidly ever since the mid 90s. The current violent crime rate is a stunning HALF of what it was in the mid 90s. Last year most major cities reported the lowest number of murders per capita that they have since the 50s or 60s.

    IMO that could be either an argument for or against gun control. On one hand, it makes the self defense argument weaker. If there is less to defend against, then the pretty overwhelming statistics about accidental shootings outweigh (I buy this). On the other hand, people can argue either that the reason crime is down is because of guns (I don't buy that one at all) or they can argue that it is evidence that guns are being misused less (I buy this to an extent).

    The important thing though to my mind is that people get the paranoia in check. We live in a very low crime era of US history. That means we should be letting our kids play around the neighborhood without watching over them like hawks for example. The odds of a kid getting kidnapped by a stranger are presently around 1 in 1.5 million. Compare that to the odds that they die by drinking a household cleaner somebody left in an accessible place in the house- around 1 in 10,000. The crime hysteria that seems to be constantly sweeping this country is completely unfounded and IMO it's making us into a less open, less friendly, less welcoming nation.

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    Re: 46 Shot Across City in Weekend of Violence

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    46 Shot Across City in Weekend of Violence | NBC New York


    This raises a number of questions for me :

    1 - Is it a regular occurrence that close to 50 people get shot over any given weekend in New York?

    2 - If no, Why do you figure there is such a surge in violence?

    3 - How is it that the first suggestion to come out is more gun control?? (New York is already one of the areas with the tightest gun control on the books) Do you support this idea or do you have an alternate suggestion that would be workable?

    When I first saw this article I thought it was a mass shooting... but it seems that this is a case of a whole lot of people getting trigger happy, since the incidents seem to be spread across areas of the city.
    Sounds like gang violence to me.
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    Re: 46 Shot Across City in Weekend of Violence

    Many here suffering tremendous or old misconception.
    (and ergo making false-premise conclusions on Gun Control too)

    NYC is the Safest Big City in America, and has been so for many years.
    Even more so for places like Midtown Manhattan where most visitors come. The rate there is Even Lower yet.
    Most crime in the tougher boroughs of Brooklyn, Bronx, etc.

    New York Remains Safest Big U.S. City as Crime Declines 5%, Mayor Says

    By Henry Goldman - Sep 13, 2010
    New York Remains Safest Big U.S. City as Crime Declines 5%, Mayor Says - Bloomberg

    New York City’s major crime rate fell 5.1% in 2009, and its 471 murders represented an annual decline of 9.9% compared with the national average of 7.2%, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.

    FBI crime data showed that of the 25 largest U.S. cities New York recorded 2,242 “index crimes” of murder, rape, robbery, assault, burglary, larceny and auto theft for every 100,000 residents,
    the mayor’s office said today in a news release. San Jose, California, was ranked second with 2,746 such crimes per 100,000, and San Diego third, with 2,903 per 100,000.

    Among 266 U.S. cities with populations larger than 100,000 the city’s crime rate placed it 248th, between Garden Grove, California and Sunnyvale, California. No other city with more than 262,000 people was deemed safer than New York, the mayor’s office said.
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    Re: 46 Shot Across City in Weekend of Violence

    Bloomberg should be doing a nickel in USP Terra Haute for conspiring to violate the gun laws of the USA and of several states. He had, without the authority of either the federal government or the attorney General of the state of Ohio, his minions attend gun shows in Ohio and other states trying to buy guns illegally. That is a conspiracy and a federal felony



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