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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Can your uber-arian, genetically enhanced, rightist, militaro-science-genius brain not think of a reason? Here's a hint: it rhymes with foil.
    Do you think that Egypt might have a say in the matter?

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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Do you think that Egypt might have a say in the matter?
    Sure, among others. The point being that Iran could substantially impact worldwide deliveries of ME oil if they were attacked, and they have many means to do so, from mines (they have between 2,000 - 4,000) to submarines, to fighters to medium/long range missiles, to ship-to-ship, etc., etc. Of course they could also attack oil production directly.

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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sure, among others. The point being that Iran could substantially impact worldwide deliveries of ME oil if they were attacked, and they have many means to do so, from mines (they have between 2,000 - 4,000) to submarines, to fighters to medium/long range missiles, to ship-to-ship, etc., etc. Of course they could also attack oil production directly.
    Considering that the Suez is in Egypt, it's mighty nice of you to allow them to have a say in the matter. Iran would have to overfly Saudi Arabia in order to strike Egyptian infrastructure. The Iranians and the Saudis are fierce regional rivals, bordering on being enemies, so Iran would, in one shot, declare war on Egypt and Saudi Arabia, if they launched such a strike.

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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Dude, most of the country was rebelling against him and calling for democracy.
    Good for them. How does that compel Western nations to do anything other than root for them to succeed?

    He was bombing his own people with the airforce and slaughtering opposition with hired mercs.
    So we're going to stop him from bombing his own people with his air force by, umm, bombing his people with OUR air force. Brilliant! Very humanitarian too.

    At some point, even the Euros say 'enough is enough'. You, apparently, have no problem with leaving him in power after what he did (for six days, before the UN stopped him).
    Correct. You say "leave him in power" as though it should have been our decision to make in the first place. Who do you think you are? He was already in power; we should have let the people who actually have skin in the game sort out for themselves whether or not they want to continue being ruled by him.
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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Considering that the Suez is in Egypt, it's mighty nice of you to allow them to have a say in the matter. Iran would have to overfly Saudi Arabia in order to strike Egyptian infrastructure. The Iranians and the Saudis are fierce regional rivals, bordering on being enemies, so Iran would, in one shot, declare war on Egypt and Saudi Arabia, if they launched such a strike.
    The scenario I'm talking about is one in which the U.S. or Israel launched an all-out assault on Iran. In that case they would certainly know that they were going to lose and might elect to inflict maximum damage on their way out -- sort of how Saddam fired scuds at Israel during the first Gulf War.

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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    we should have let the people who actually have skin in the game sort out for themselves whether or not they want to continue being ruled by him.
    We did. They didn't.

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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Funny, and I saw Iraqi freedom causing a regional push. Told ya so.
    At least you're consistent. There are plenty of Conservatives who are now wringing their hands over the people of these places having some power for once. Democracy, especially in the Middle East, is likely to involve some folks that aren't particularly friendly to our interests. You wanted democracy in the Middle East? You're getting it!


    I'm bomb bomb Iran, bigtime. And I'm happy, except we haven't bombed Iran. If we don't do it soon, they're gonna be locked down like nK and no one will be able to do crap then.
    Here's the only thing -- Iran is a major client of Russia. I doubt Putin's going to look kindly on us bombing his customer back to the stone age. There's also a pretty decent possibility that they've already got the bomb and just haven't publicized it yet. I believe that's the CW on Israel's nuclear program too. The whole situation could quickly mushroom into WW3.


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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Why would the Kuwaitis start any wars? They were filthy rich and maintained their status using the same means that Saddam employed.
    Yet you compared Kuwait to Saddam?
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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Yet you compared Kuwait to Saddam?
    That's right, in the sense that it's a brutal, undemocratic regime. In some ways it's even worse than Iraq under Saddam, e.g. "In June 2007, Kuwait became among the worst offenders in human trafficking according to a report issued by the United States Department of State. The inclusion was due to the Kuwait government's repeated failure to tackle the problem. Migrant workers were often subject to poor housing, severe beatings, confiscation of passports, and extremely long hours with little or no wages. Migrant workers were also placed under the sponsor system which puts them under the mercy of their employers restricting their movement which has been widely described as "modern day slavery".

    Human rights in Kuwait - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    We did. They didn't.
    Then NATO had no reason to get involved.
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