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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You've missed the point. After all the opposition from democrats/liberals regarding the last two wars, or military conflicts in the Middle East, the irony, or hypocrisy, is that it's now OK to intervene in another Middle Eastern country's affairs. Why? Because your political party deemed it necessary.
    My political party didn't deem anything necessary. I don't like the involvement, never did. Though if we're asking such questions, why after all the "rah rah, invade Baghdad" and "Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" (remember McCain -- to the tune of "Barbara Ann.") is it now bad?

    Here's "dixiesolutions" (whom I'm now convinced is not real), saying that it's horrible that all these Muslims are involved. What kind of democracy in the Middle East wasn't going to involve Muslims??? You wanted democracy in the Middle East, and now it's arriving. Bush was right (to an extent), but now you guys are all unhappy because....???


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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You've missed the point. After all the opposition from democrats/liberals regarding the last two wars, or military conflicts in the Middle East, the irony, or hypocrisy, is that it's now OK to intervene in another Middle Eastern country's affairs. Why? Because your political party deemed it necessary.
    It appears that you haven't been paying attention. There was no opposition to the invasion of Afghanistan because it served a legitimate national interest. There was opposition to Iraq because it did not. Libya did involve a national interest, as Ghaddafi was a known sponsor of terrorism against U.S. citizens. It was also a much smaller commitment.

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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It appears that you haven't been paying attention. There was no opposition to the invasion of Afghanistan because it served a legitimate national interest. There was opposition to Iraq because it did not. Libya did involve a national interest, as Ghaddafi was a known sponsor of terrorism against U.S. citizens. It was also a much smaller commitment.
    Saddam supported anti-American terrorism.
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    Saddam supported anti-American terrorism.
    No, he didn't. Or if you think he did, let's see the evidence.

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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, he didn't. Or if you think he did, let's see the evidence.

    Former President George Bush visited Kuwait between April 14 and April 16, 1993, to commemorate the allied victory in the Persian Gulf War. Accompanying Bush were his wife, two of his sons, former Secretary of State James A. Baker III, former Chief of Staff John Sununu, and former Treasury Secretary Nicholas Brady.

    In late-April 1993, the United States learned that terrorists had attempted to assassinate Bush during his visit to Kuwait. The Kuwaiti authorities arrested 17 persons suspected in the plot to kill Bush using explosives hidden in a Toyota Landcruiser. The Kuwaitis recovered the Landcruiser, which contained between 80 and 90 kilograms of plastic explosives connected to a detonator ( the Bush device or Bush explosive device ). The Kuwaitis also recovered ten cube-shaped plastic explosive devices with detonators (the cube-bombs ) from the Landcruiser. Some of the suspects reportedly confessed that the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS ) was behind the assassination attempt.

    On April 29, 1993, CIA bomb technicians compared the Bush explosive device to two known Iraqi explosive devices found in different Middle-Eastern countries in 1990 and 1991 (the Middle-East devices ) . The technicians reported that the remote control firing mechanism in the Bush device was identical to those in the Middle-East devices. Additionally, the technicians reported that blasting caps from the Bush device appeared to be identical to those found in one of the Middle-East devices. The technicians later concluded that the circuit board from the Bush device also closely resembled circuit boards from the Middle-East devices.

    In early-May 1993, the FBI sent personnel to Kuwait to interview the suspects and examine the physical evidence. FBI Special Agents, along with representatives of the Secret Service and State Department, interviewed 16 suspects, some more than once. Two of the suspects, Wali 'Abd Al-Hadi 'Abd Al-Hasan Al-Ghazali ( Al-Ghazali ) and Ra'd 'Abd Al-Amir 'Abbud Al-Asadi ( Al-Asadi ), admitted during the FBI interviews that they had participated in the plot at the direction of the IIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    GaddafyDuck was a major supplier of those GanjaWeed vermin who raped the Sudan, the ones whom we are assured by PC Orthodoxy are 'mostly moderate Muslims' , of course, '98%' being the usual percentage of 'moderates' in the ME, yet there isn't a single 'moderate' Islamic government on the entire planet for some reason, despite such overwhelming 'statistics' cited for them. At least the non-Muslims in Libya were massacred and driven out a long time ago, so we won't see many brief reports buried on page 92of the NYT about massacres of Xians as we did from the 'freedom fighters' of Egypt's 'Arab Spring', anyway; they'll focus on how Israel is a big threat to Libya's 'national security', even though it's about a thousand miles or so away and has no armored divisions on the way to steal Arab Land, as part of their imperialist plan.
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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It appears that you haven't been paying attention. There was no opposition to the invasion of Afghanistan because it served a legitimate national interest. There was opposition to Iraq because it did not. Libya did involve a national interest, as Ghaddafi was a known sponsor of terrorism against U.S. citizens. It was also a much smaller commitment.
    Here's the problem with doing something "because it should be done". When we assume the role of global policeman without the capability, militarily and financially, to intervene anywhere and everywhere, we then start picking and choosing for purely arbitrary and capricious reasons. Why intervene in Libya and not in Syria, or Yemen? Why not Myanmar? Why not Sudan, Somalia, Uganda, Rwanda, etc?

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    Re: Libyan rebels round up black Africans

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Here's the problem with doing something "because it should be done". When we assume the role of global policeman without the capability, militarily and financially, to intervene anywhere and everywhere, we then start picking and choosing for purely arbitrary and capricious reasons. Why intervene in Libya and not in Syria, or Yemen? Why not Myanmar? Why not Sudan, Somalia, Uganda, Rwanda, etc?
    This is where knowledge of a subject like, say, geography, comes in handy, along with an idea of which countries are backed by wealthier countries. Do you go after 5 or 6 countries at the same time, or do you just take out the primary supporter of those 5 or 6? Which is the better strategic decision?

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    There was opposition to Iraq because it did not.
    Nonsense. We had defense agreements with several countries in the area, and of course only the not very bright thought we really were going to hang around until Saddam died of old age or something.

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