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    Re: Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not a business, but a necessary service. So yes, it can consume money without the restriction of necessitating profit. That's why it's government and not private. Business has a different set of constraints than government does.
    So again your answer is: Just keep dumping money into it.
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    Re: Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So again your answer is: Just keep dumping money into it.
    There's no requirement for a profit. I don't see what the contention is. For mail, I think it's a necessary service. There is a government branch to ensure that everyone can have access. There is a private branch which can do what private business does and in a way to make a profit. Good for them. But they don't have to service everyone, nor do they have to be in all locations even poo-dunk arkansas. The Post service MUST be there. I don't have the innate problem a lot of people do with the post service. Now there were suggestions for improvement, like limiting delivery days, etc. Not a bad idea. Ain't saying that there aren't improvements to be made. I'm only saying that the post office does not need to turn a profit.
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    Re: Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There's no requirement for a profit. I don't see what the contention is. For mail, I think it's a necessary service. There is a government branch to ensure that everyone can have access. There is a private branch which can do what private business does and in a way to make a profit. Good for them. But they don't have to service everyone, nor do they have to be in all locations even poo-dunk arkansas. The Post service MUST be there. I don't have the innate problem a lot of people do with the post service. Now there were suggestions for improvement, like limiting delivery days, etc. Not a bad idea. Ain't saying that there aren't improvements to be made. I'm only saying that the post office does not need to turn a profit.
    Well, the Post Office is on the verge of going into default due to mis-management and not "having to turn a profit". It would seem your, theory in practice merely leads to insolvency. Interesting for one with a "libertarian" lean.
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    Re: Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Well, the Post Office is on the verge of going into default due to mis-management and not "having to turn a profit".
    The post office operates as a monopoly which means that they have the power to set prices and for the most part, will not lose revenue due to that monopoly status. Being a quasi-governmental agency, they have the obligation to provide a service as opposed to being (and staying) profitable. Can they provide a service AND stay profitable? Possibly, but that would require them to either cut services or raise prices which is obstructive in their purpose of actually providing a service.

    It would seem your, theory in practice merely leads to insolvency. Interesting for one with a "libertarian" lean.
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    Re: Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount

    I hope you people realize that when you ship a package via USPS all they do is put it on Fed Ex and UPS planes to get to its destination. The USPS doesn't have their own planes, they lease space from the other major carriers.

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    Re: Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/05/business/in-internet-age-postal-service-struggles-to-stay-solvent-and-relevant.html?_r=1

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    he day of reckoning is at hand for the Post office. This is what happens folks, when Government runs a business.
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    Re: Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Well, the Post Office is on the verge of going into default due to mis-management and not "having to turn a profit". It would seem your, theory in practice merely leads to insolvency. Interesting for one with a "libertarian" lean.
    There's certainly a lot of areas for clean up. I'm talking about the base of the post office. Since it's government, it doesn't need to make a profit. It doesn't matter what one's lean in; that's the truth. There could very wel be mismanagement of various types; that doesn't mean that what I said is untrue.
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    Re: Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Post office needs to end home delivery and switch to P.O. boxes, except for package delivery.
    Or it could go to localized mail boxes

    Where an entire block or blocks of houses have a group of mail boxes located on a corner. Which makes delivery easier and vastly quicker. Mail does not need to be delivered 6 days a week, 5 would be more then enough and likely 4 would be fine. Of course the Postal Service signed some rather stupid labour contracts, limiting options
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    Re: Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount

    IMO, the U.S. Postal Service's current plight offers another case example of how an organization accustomed to general success over a long period of time can allow itself to lose sight of the incremental change occurring around it and lose focus on ensuring that its cost structure is fit for tomorrow's environment not the current one. A dramatic restructuring will be needed if the U.S. Postal Service is to be able to become self-sufficient.

    Elements of such a restructuring could, among other things, entail:

    1. Recognition that the traditional first-class mail industry is a declining market. Therefore, cost minimization should be key for that area. The focus should be loss avoidance there, not growth. Instead, investment should be focused on building capabilities relevant to tomorrow's industry.
    2. More robust investment and an aggressive push to increase market share in the more lucrative segments associated with business-related parcels. The U.S. Postal Service has vast economies of scale that it could leverage to shift the competitive landscape in that sector, especially at a time when businesses are increasingly seeking to minimize costs.
    3. Flexible rate structures tied to demand/costs rather than fixed ones that ignore the micro-level revenue-cost realities.
    4. Elimination of all post offices that chronically lose money and services that are the biggest money losers.
    5. Investment in building and scaling up digital mail technologies/services, interfaces with companies allowing the postal service to serve as a portal between companies and prospective customers as an alternative to first-class mail, bulk mail, etc. via the interactive nature of such a portal, etc.
    5. A shift to a more realistic compensation model and less labor-intensive business model (unpopular given the nation's high unemployment rate, but perhaps essential to addressing the U.S. Postal Service's relatively excessive labor costs.
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    Re: Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount

    And stop delivering all the junk/spam mail that goes right in the circular file.

    Actually, I shred all the junk
    Last edited by Tashah; 09-06-11 at 12:39 PM.

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