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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    It's nice to see a liberal that must also agree with oil subsidies, corporate welfare of all types, and no bid contracts as well. You can't make excuses for this, and disagree with any of the others without being a hypocrite
    No, I certainly disagree with oil subsidies and agree with renewable energy loans. But those are policy stances. Neither one is a scandal, neither one is illegal, etc. Some on the right are making it out like this is somehow some kind of scandal and that's just silly. These are programs that have been on the books for a long time, which were passed by the legislature, etc.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Not that was gave a half billion dollars despite numerous warnings and blew it.
    You aren't following. The fact that one of the, presumably thousands, of investors was a fundraiser for Obama means nothing. That is presumably true of virtually all companies, so that in no way suggests any impropriety.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You aren't following. The fact that one of the, presumably thousands, of investors was a fundraiser for Obama means nothing. That is presumably true of virtually all companies, so that in no way suggests any impropriety.
    If it meant nothing it wouldn't be in the news nor would we be discussing it. It's the very thing Obama campaigned against. This was supposed to be the president of "Change".

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    If it meant nothing it wouldn't be in the news [...]
    Now that's funny, I don't care who ya are

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You aren't following. The fact that one of the, presumably thousands, of investors was a fundraiser for Obama means nothing. That is presumably true of virtually all companies, so that in no way suggests any impropriety.

    Why are you making the main capital venture raiser, George Kaiser, just some investor? You are down playing the importance of this man, all so you can ignore, and dismiss what this means pointing to the corruption of the current administration.

    It was people like you that during the eight years of the Bush administration railed against Halliburton and the contracts they got to supply the troops as 'no bid', and tried to hang the yoke of 'crony capitalism' around the neck of Bush, even to the point of screaming that he and Cheney be "frog marched" out of the WH. Now YOUR guy does the same thing in directing OUR money to his political friends, and you want to downplay it as 'ah well, everyone does it...' pathetic.

    I don't know the legality, of this however, from what is being reported there are warnings from the people who score these loans to the WH was saying that Solyndra would go under in, surprise, SEPT 2011. Well guess what happened, and Obama and team ignored, and pushed harder to get them the money so Obama could have a photo op to push his green agenda.

    It should be investigated, then add that to Fast and Furious, and anything else this criminal enterprise in the WH has done, and he can join a long list of Chicago politicians...in prison.


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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac, replying to another View Post
    [...] It was people like you that during the eight years of the Bush administration railed against Halliburton and the contracts they got to supply the troops as 'no bid', and tried to hang the yoke of 'crony capitalism' around the neck of Bush, even to the point of screaming that he and Cheney be "frog marched" out of the WH. [...]
    It could be argued that the point of the war itself was to make money for Halliburton, or at least a prime reason. Alternative reasons for the war would be oil profiteering, again by companies like Halliburton (had the war gone the way that the neo-cons originally intended and we now had a puppet govt in Iraq with Exxon and Halliburton controlling the oil fields).

    So... I'd suggest a different tack, since I doubt Obama invented solar power just to line the pockets of some monied supporter.

    By the way, Fast and Furious appears to be an outgrowth of a Bush-era program:

    The BATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006. Project Gunrunner is also part of the Department’s broader Southwest Border Initiative, which seeks to reduce cross-border drug and firearms trafficking and the high level of violence associated with these activities on both sides of the border.[2] However, multiple agents within the ATF (whistleblowers) have publicly stated they were ordered to allow assault-style weapons to sold to straw purchasers who then transported the weapons to Mexico to resell to Mexican drug cartels.[3]

    Project Gunrunner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Perhaps you can get Obama nailed on parking tickets....

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    If it meant nothing it wouldn't be in the news
    LOL. You can't seriously believe that... That's mostly what the news reports- hype.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why are you making the main capital venture raiser, George Kaiser, just some investor? You are down playing the importance of this man, all so you can ignore, and dismiss what this means pointing to the corruption of the current administration.
    Maybe you're assuming that "Obama fundraiser" means something different than it does? A huge percentage of major businesspeople could be considered fundraisers for one of the presidential candidates, or even both. That one of the investors, even a major investor, is a fundraiser is not in any way unusual. Presumably that would always be the case with just about any company. It's just spin.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It was people like you that during the eight years of the Bush administration railed against Halliburton and the contracts they got to supply the troops as 'no bid', and tried to hang the yoke of 'crony capitalism' around the neck of Bush, even to the point of screaming that he and Cheney be "frog marched" out of the WH. Now YOUR guy does the same thing in directing OUR money to his political friends, and you want to downplay it as 'ah well, everyone does it...' pathetic.
    You're really going to compare Halliburton to a renewable energy company? Seriously, you don't see the world of difference between the two?

    Regardless, look at the differences. Halliburton actually got their CEO to become Vice President of the United States. That is an infinitely stronger connection than that some investor raised some money for the president's campaign. Not even remotely in the same league.

    Secondly, Halliburton and KBR got $20 BILLION in NO BID contracts. You can't possibly compare that to a LOAN for 2% of that amount that was awarded after a legitimate competitive process...

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac
    ....railed against Halliburton and the contracts they got to supply the troops as 'no bid',...
    Speaking personally, my argument was against the ones that said they were the ONLY company that could do the job.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl
    Alternative reasons for the war would be oil profiteering, again by companies like Halliburton (had the war gone the way that the neo-cons originally intended and we now had a puppet govt in Iraq with Exxon and Halliburton controlling the oil fields).
    And some thought the 'war for oil' was to get them cheap gas...


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